oops watch those large water changes

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fishnutham

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Having just lost 2 expensive cats this week i started to re research water conditions sometimes we forget the basics as time goes on.
Reading through a book by Gary Elson&Oliver Lucanus a cat book,I came across this interesting bit of info.
Theres a debate about how much water should be changed.Ideally,larger water changes would seem better,but that works only if you have a pristine supply of water.Most fish keepers have to deal with chemicaly treated water.If your water is treated with chlorine,pet shop dechorination products will effectively neutralize this chemical,which is very injurious to fish.however,it is increasingly common for municapal treatment plants to use chloramine.this water treatment is more stable and longer acting then chlorine and therefore very effective for drinking water.Some aquarium trade water treatment products will break the chemical bond in chloramine causing a quick release of toxic ammonia.On a very large scale water change this release can kill your fish,usally by burning their respiratory systems.However changing a quarter of your tanks water generally allows for a balance and your fish will prosper.




I've been harping on the subject of not using standing water because of choramines and the fact that they are stable and do not dissolve into the air but was not aware that the chemical breakdown releases ammonia just to make sure its unstood choramine is deadly to fish and benificial bacteria so it has to be neutralized, and the result will release ammonia.


I hope this clears up the conterversy behind how much water should be changed at once


I would encourage this thread being pinned IMO it holds a good amount of info that some people are unaware of. THX


Dave.R (FNH)
 
What I do for my more "sensitive" fish is fill up a large rubber maid with water, drop in the most powerful pump that I have, and make it point up and leave this for usually a day. Never had a chlorine problem with this method.
 
fishnutham said:
its not the chorine its the choramine that does not dissapate
Chloramine is a combination of ammonia and chlorine, what you basically end up with is ammonia. You can either have a substance that neutralizes it or you can have over filtration on your tank that will take care of it without problem.

The way this would stress out fish if you would do large water change every couple of weeks, which would bring a quick chemistry change thus stressing the fish but if you keep up with your big weekly water changes your fish will be used to them and will feel/act/look much better with cleaner water.
 
I've been going 50% water changes for years with all my fish, everything from discus to gars, Pims to piranhas, livebearers to bichers. I've yet to lose a fish due to my water change habits.
 
i guess the experts that write this information must not know what they are talking about hmm all those years in school wasted maybe i could write some books guess i could just use my knowledge that i've been doing it like that for years hasnt hurt my fish any.
on that note have you ever witnessed so called ph shock when doing large water changes i have on my o tank and i'm extremly carefull with temp and using the right conditioners i dont think your fish get used to the sudden change in chemistry they tolerate it IMO i would rather do whats the least harmful to my fish
 
fishnutham said:
i guess the experts that write this information must not know what they are talking about hmm all those years in school wasted maybe i could write some books guess i could just use my knowledge that i've been doing it like that for years hasnt hurt my fish any.


funny you should say that as in fact the 'expert' that wrote the original script is in fact wrong

"If your water is treated with chlorine,pet shop dechorination products will effectively neutralize this chemical,which is very injurious to fish"

simply not true. chlorine wont harm fish only the filters bacteria
 
danny boy said:
funny you should say that as in fact the 'expert' that wrote the original script is in fact wrong

"If your water is treated with chlorine,pet shop dechorination products will effectively neutralize this chemical,which is very injurious to fish"

simply not true. chlorine wont harm fish only the filters bacteria
a little chlorine wont harm at all but large amouts lets say a 75 percent water change will kill a fish
 
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