Orinos: Columbian and Venezuelan...whats the difference?

[Bogwoodbruce]

There certainly seems to be a difference in em, but any orino is a nice fish

 

[Cichlidgeek]

This was one my old Venezuelan orinos. I think he had a lot of blue. No?

 

[jcardona1]

This was one my old Venezuelan orinos. I think he had a lot of blue. No?

hey brian what about red in the lower fins? does that indicate anything or is it just regular variation? i know you mentioned that its very hard to distinguish the two based on marking/color alone...but is there anything we can go off of?

for example, i bought my orino from another member. sometimes you dont always know the point of collection...

 

[Cichlidgeek]

hey brian what about red in the lower fins? does that indicate anything or is it just regular variation? i know you mentioned that its very hard to distinguish the two based on marking/color alone...but is there anything we can go off of?

for example, i bought my orino from another member. sometimes you dont always know the point of collection...

Ok, I understand what you're saying but I tend to not believe that there are any truly positive identifiers for origin alone. In other words, we can say that Colombian orinos "tend" to show more blue, but look at my Venezuelan boy. Things that make you go, "hhmmmm?". As for the red in the lower fins, I really don't know. I wish someone like Seiichi or Rapps would chime in here. Maybe they know some positive identifiers, but like I have said time and time again I tend to stick to my guns with saying that if you simply plop any orino down in front of someone they really cannot ascertain where it originated from.

There are a few biologists that I know, which could probably get pretty damn close....like Stu Willis and Kirk Winemiller, and also the now famous Venezuelan naturalist Ivan Mikjoli, but the average run of the mill hobbyist or anyone else who has never been there and seen them in the wild and who is going from Internet information alone = impossible.

There is a variation of orinocensis in the Orinoco where the ones showing blue spangles are from the southern portion in Vz and the others, showing white spangles, are from the northern portion, which extends into Colombia. But the fish look identical as adults.

Good??

 

[jcardona1]

good info, thanks brian! there is a lot more to it than i thought lol!

 

[impala65]

here is a very young 5'' colombian
i can defently say the venz ones have more spangling when their juvies (under8'')

 

[jellogecko]

not to hijack. But jcardona, what kind of pbass is in your avatar?

 

[jcardona1]

not to hijack. But jcardona, what kind of pbass is in your avatar?

lol i dont know, thats what this whole thread is about haha! i was originally think venz, but im not sure

 

[Venom SS]

This was one my old Venezuelan orinos. I think he had a lot of blue. No?

Very blue indeed...

 

[Bogwoodbruce]

Ok, I understand what you're saying but I tend to not believe that there are any truly positive identifiers for origin alone. In other words, we can say that Colombian orinos "tend" to show more blue, but look at my Venezuelan boy. Things that make you go, "hhmmmm?". As for the red in the lower fins, I really don't know. I wish someone like Seiichi or Rapps would chime in here. Maybe they know some positive identifiers, but like I have said time and time again I tend to stick to my guns with saying that if you simply plop any orino down in front of someone they really cannot ascertain where it originated from.

There are a few biologists that I know, which could probably get pretty damn close....like Stu Willis and Kirk Winemiller, and also the now famous Venezuelan naturalist Ivan Mikjoli, but the average run of the mill hobbyist or anyone else who has never been there and seen them in the wild and who is going from Internet information alone = impossible.

There is a variation of orinocensis in the Orinoco where the ones showing blue spangles are from the southern portion in Vz and the others, showing white spangles, are from the northern portion, which extends into Colombia. But the fish look identical as adults.

Good??

Wow mate you certainly know your stuff