Oscar, JD, and ??? upcoming 90 gallon tank

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The proposed species. Clown and yoyo loaches.
However, it would apply to most Botia loaches given that most are comparable to clowns/yoyos in care. Additionally, loaches in general and cichlids can have nonmatching needs that go beyond temperament. I forgot to go over this, but I'll do it now.

The biggest hurdle is diet, many cichlids are largely herbivorous omnivores. Loaches on the other hand, being carnivores, obviously have a dietary conflict.
If fish with opposing diets housed in the same tank eat too much of the other's food, something like this can happen.

The next is environment. Loaches like much more flow than some cichlids, and if they do not get it, the reduced oxygen stemming from reduced flow is detrimental.

Finally, temperature. There can be incompatibilies - such as the below case with the next quote.
Another example would be, say Jack Dempseys with clown loaches. Clown loaches prefer warmer 27 Celsius or so water, while Jack Dempseys are found in cooler water.
Effects of keeping fish in too warm water include a shortened lifespan and getting less oxygen than they need (warm water holds less than cool water).

I had several yoyo and striata in with my severums for years with no issue

This is not an advisable combination environmentally, regardless of temperament. Yoyo and zebra loaches prefer much cooler water to severums.
They will not live as long in severum temperatures as they would in cooler temperatures - unless you've had them with the severums for their full 15-20 year lifespan. And severums won't do well in those temperatures.

And didn't you say you've never kept cichlids?

I haven't, but have spoken to many who have kept both. I can even go and ask them right now if you'd like for their input!

I can't and won't force you to follow this advice, it's entirely up to you. However it's also up to you as to whether or not you want to hear what optimum conditions for your fish are.
 
No fish in nature lives in perfectly stable water conditions. Every body of water varies in temp more than a few degrees every season. And i moved on from clowns 2 pages ago. Thanks for your input but I'd rather hear information than arguments.
 
No fish in nature lives in perfectly stable water conditions. Every body of water varies in temp more than a few degrees every season.

The point is that whether or not this is true, the temperature ranges do not substantially overlap. It doesn't matter how much temperature for one fish varies if (as in this case) if the overlap is small or nonexistent.

And i moved on from clowns 2 pages ago.

I see. Nonetheless the point stands - eg: severum and yoyo/zebra loaches.

Thanks for your input but I'd rather hear information than arguments.

Like I said, your choice. If you want to interpret the input as arguments, I can't and won't stop you.
 
I had a full grown Oscar in a 90 with 3 clown loaches and I couldn't do enough water changes to keep the Nitrates down.....Dempsey absolutely, clown loaches for sure.... Have you considered a Carpintis, they are amazing and that 90 would be an excellent size him by itself. It would be full grown in less than a year.
 
Yeah i think the Oscar is out, even if i could get by with him solo its more water changes than i want. Thanks for the tip. From what I've seem i like the looks of the GTs and JDs better. My lfs even has decent supply of electric blue jds for $20 to $25 apiece. Right now I'm thinking a GT and EBJD then some yoyos at the bottom and some hasn't danios at the top.
 
One thing to note about the ebjd is that many tend to be unhealthy and fail to make it to maturity. You may want to get a group to ensure you get an adult out of it.
 
I wouldn't buy a EBJD that's less than 6" in total length. I wouldn't even put one in with a GT due to a high risk of losing it to stress, damage, or infection from getting hit. EBJD are generally on the frail side.
 
You'd be safer going with a Carpintis which are so close to what a EBJD look that only you would know the difference. I've got two EBAs in which a school of CLs that I'd love to drop a Carpintis in their but that would really pooch the tranquility of the tank even though one of my EBAs is a bit on the aggressive side with the other one. It would either get killed or end up killing both my juvenile EBAs.....cichlids tend to be PITAS.
 
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