Oscar/Red Devil compatibility

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Well the rtc will move on long before i have to worry about him eating anything which is why i said it isnt relevant. I am far from just starting out. I used to breed africans on a large scale now im going more exotic with the rays. I have a number of tanks he can go in. My pond for one when he is big enough which consists of the following:

22" clown knife
13"+ Oscars x 3
11" Oscar
11" RTCxTSN
17" Pacu
17" Florida Gar
17" and 14" Azul Peacock Bass
18"+ Orange flower motoro
17" Marbled Motoro
10"ish Dovii
7" Yellow Acara
4" Red Devil
and a number of plecos 12" - 18"

So the RTC will have a good home when he is big enough. The Red Devil i more or less tossed in to see if the peacock bass would eat it as a feeder but hes living fine, they chased him around to welcome him and now hes there. My parrot is still hiding but the oscar seems to be leaving him alone. I feel like i should get more parrots or something. I hate that he hides so much. He came out when the red devil was in the tank now he hides.
 
there are several things wrong with that list. it isnt going to last. things will start to disappear. you seem to have it all figured out though. many of them fish do not mix but in the end youll find out. i believe i now know why your aro bailed.


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sbuse said:
there are several things wrong with that list. it isnt going to last. things will start to disappear. you seem to have it all figured out though. many of them fish do not mix but in the end youll find out. i believe i now know why your aro bailed.


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ok lay it on me, what wont work? And why are you so hung up on the aro jumping? These fish jump, im not in one bit surprised and im more confused as to you "knowing why it bailed" enlighten us since you like to be so vague and obscure with your comments. You cant just be a dipsh*t and leave little tidbits thats not helpful. If you think you know it all put the information out there. I dont see any reason why the aro jumped unless a bird flew over the pool and he was hungry, it was 34" or something it was king of the pool and tried biting my hand once. He was obviously not feeling timid or threatened by anything so its not likely your explanation will make any sense.
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jhutch said:
ok lay it on me, what wont work? And why are you so hung up on the aro jumping? These fish jump, im not in one bit surprised and im more confused as to you "knowing why it bailed" enlighten us since you like to be so vague and obscure with your comments. You cant just be a dipsh*t and leave little tidbits thats not helpful. If you think you know it all put the information out there. I dont see any reason why the aro jumped unless a bird flew over the pool and he was hungry, it was 34" or something it was king of the pool and tried biting my hand once. He was obviously not feeling timid or threatened by anything so its not likely your explanation will make any sense.
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first off i didnt claim to know everything. you made me out to. lets see how the list of errors goes. not stuck on it, just brought it up as a wakeup call you missed. as to my theroy on why it jumped. pacu love to nip. aros have long enticing fins the 99.99% of pacu cant resist. if an aro is swimming and a pacu blind sides it and nips it, fyi it will jump. the aro in question was not prone to jumping that much on its own because it got to 30" or over as you said before you even got it.

large catfish with smaller slower growing cichlids.

pacu with anything, especailly gar.

plecos with gar and big catfish nice food source for the plecos.

dovii in a comunity tank. acording to the rest of the world that is an epic fail.

pacu with rays.

gars with rays.

rays with cichlids.

plecos with rays.

an inflatable pool, instead of a just as availible, cheap and sutible hard side intex pool.

the list goes on. in the end it is your money, your fish. you want to veiw me as an ass go right ahead i dont care. you dont want to take advise from someone that has been dealing with said oddballs and exotic fish that you got all at a large size. the difference is i got them to that size. breeding most cichlids is no feat, regardless of scale. once you got larger fish you steped into a whole new world that you obviously didnt research before hand. you just think if you spend enough money it will work and people will prasie you for it. reality check, it doesnt work that way. all my large gars except for my two largest lng and my trops i raised myself. i have raised many aros and several rays. i have lost fish along the way and i have learned along the way. things you just through together have been tried and tested for years and geuss what? 9 times out of 10 they fail. your the big man though so keep geting large fish and prove to the world your a better fish keeper.

there you go the long way for you, i have been asked to be nice by some mods so that is why you got the short.

yours truly, the dip****:)






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I have to agree with the others. Although cichlids grow fast, RTCs grow w whole lot faster and will begin swallowing things. Beyond that I would never house a Red Devil that is the same size as an Oscar. Oscars are tough when it comes to other fish, but when housed with other cichlids it is best if they are larger than them. IME any other aggressive cichlid the same size as an Oscar will kill the Oscar. Red Devils are towards the top of the aggression meter and will kill the oscar at night when it gets a little bigger. Red Devils and Midas cichlids tend to make themselves look innocent during the day, but get downright nasty when the lights go out. Once they get bigger they will terrorize most fish at any hour of the day.
 
sbuse said:
first off i didnt claim to know everything. you made me out to. lets see how the list of errors goes. not stuck on it, just brought it up as a wakeup call you missed. as to my theroy on why it jumped. pacu love to nip. aros have long enticing fins the 99.99% of pacu cant resist. if an aro is swimming and a pacu blind sides it and nips it, fyi it will jump. the aro in question was not prone to jumping that much on its own because it got to 30" or over as you said before you even got it.

large catfish with smaller slower growing cichlids.

pacu with anything, especailly gar.

plecos with gar and big catfish nice food source for the plecos.

dovii in a comunity tank. acording to the rest of the world that is an epic fail.

pacu with rays.

gars with rays.

rays with cichlids.

plecos with rays.

an inflatable pool, instead of a just as availible, cheap and sutible hard side intex pool.

the list goes on. in the end it is your money, your fish. you want to veiw me as an ass go right ahead i dont care. you dont want to take advise from someone that has been dealing with said oddballs and exotic fish that you got all at a large size. the difference is i got them to that size. breeding most cichlids is no feat, regardless of scale. once you got larger fish you steped into a whole new world that you obviously didnt research before hand. you just think if you spend enough money it will work and people will prasie you for it. reality check, it doesnt work that way. all my large gars except for my two largest lng and my trops i raised myself. i have raised many aros and several rays. i have lost fish along the way and i have learned along the way. things you just through together have been tried and tested for years and geuss what? 9 times out of 10 they fail. your the big man though so keep geting large fish and prove to the world your a better fish keeper.

there you go the long way for you, i have been asked to be nice by some mods so that is why you got the short.

yours truly, the dip****:)






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I agree with most of what you said here, but I think Gars and Rays work just fine together. I have read that they are good tank mates, and I personally housed them together for a short period of time. The gars occupy the top levels of the tank and the rays occupy the bottom. I had also kept a ray with Oscars for a very short period of time. I would not recommend it to anyone, but it can possibly work. The Oscars left the ray alone, but the biggest issue is the waste they produce and the difficulty in getting food past greedy Oscars to a hungry ray. To me the biggest issues are the big cats and the Pacu, they can destroy a tank in a heartbeat.
 
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I agree with most of what you said here, but I think Gars and Rays work just fine together. I have read that they are good tank mates, and I personally housed them together for a short period of time. The gars occupy the top levels of the tank and the rays occupy the bottom. I had also kept a ray with Oscars for a very short period of time. I would not recommend it to anyone, but it can possibly work. The Oscars left the ray alone, but the biggest issue is the waste they produce and the difficulty in getting food past greedy Oscars to a hungry ray. To me the biggest issues are the big cats and the Pacu, they can destroy a tank in a heartbeat.
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i have also seen rays and gar cohab. not always the best results. i know of several people with rays that got ripped apart by gars. i have housed them together and i noticed that the gars just cant resist the rays tail. the will take a swing at it from time to time. or also when a ray is burried a gar may and have taken swings at the eyes. one instance a hystrix ray got ripped apart by a group of gars. my oscar ray experience ended with a dead oscar and one brought to a store. they picked at the rays alot and one got stung for it. it only takes one attack from a gar to kill a ray. not worth the risk imo. i just turned down a beautiful large spot leo ray for the reasons of it would have to go with my gars. having said that i know of someone that has a few gars with black rays and it is fine. they are fed everyday though and those gars dont even eat guppies in the tank.


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Great i appreciate the insight from someone with experience. The RTCxTSN is very very small right now and i never see the pacu chase anyone but the clown knife. I spend hours sitting and watching. I feed massivore and the rays get more than enough to eat believe me. I go through a 2.2lb bag of massivore every 10 days on top of a half pound to a pound of fresh shrimp each week. The peacock bass never chase anyone, the gar stays at the top until i feed then he goes to the bottom to eat pellets. He has hovered right on top of the male ray and never so much as looked at him, he goes for the massivore and thats it and swims away from the rays if they get too close. The 4 oscars never chase anyone but each other, the rare pair stick together and sometimes the 4 of them school together. It seems like a happy eco system right now. I plan on moving the bass and gar to a 336 gallon diy tank im building and i will be separating the bahia red tail oscars to their own tank along with the other two oscars eventually. The dovii is small in comparison to every one else and just hides all day with the catfish and now the red devil. Its not a permamnent situation and i bought the thousand plus gallon pool for my oscars, everyone else just came in after the fact(where admittedly and irresponsibly impulse buys all over the board with little research). Pacu never chased the aro in the pool he was only 8 inches and was new to the system a few days before the aro jumped. Previous owner said the aro jumped a bunch but the glass lids kept it in the 300 gallon tank thats what the scars on it were from was jumping(you should know all the facts before you assume).
 
oh i didnt assume anything. i know aros are jumpers and lost a few to it. if it was that bad of a jumper it wouldnt have made it. also if the owner told you it was a jumper why was it left in an open top pond for any amount of time? it got stck in the net, but that was only because the net was not a correct net. antibird nets are like gill nets. the pacu was added a few days begore the deadly jump....could be just coinsidence or it could be the reason. the pacu doesnt need to chase it. when i had my pacu and aro mixed they never chased. but random times the aro would swim past the pacu and the pacu would strike. pacus like to chew, it is what they do. that equals a hole in the "temp pond". there is a saying with big cats like hybrids and rtc. "they dont hae tankmates, just future meals" i am talking from experience that that phrase is more then talk. you can take that to the bank. i have watched my old 2' pleco attack my gars. so i didched the pleco. i have watched many gars pick a rays tails. i have watched my 13" rtcxtsn eat a 10" bowfin. it is not a question of if, but when.

my dovii i got on an impulse buy as i got my jags. it tried to kill my larger pbass growout. it is now in a beta box as i decide what to do. impulse buys are the worst. i researched them, decided not the route to go, then was basically givin one.


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Well i may be off on my guestimate of the size of the cat because he cant even fit the 4" red devil i tossed in there in his mouth but he is growing fast. My pool isnt inflatable not the walls anyway so he wont be chewing a whole in it before they go in the 1000 gallon tank im building in a different room in the basement. The concrete under the pool is sucking too much heat from it. Maybe the little 8" pacu did nip the big aro and make him jump, who knows lots of maybes. Ive had lots of pacu in my time and never seen them nip anything ever so who knows. Different fish do different things. Maybe the little dovii would kill a big peacock bass, lots of maybes, lots of opinions and ive never seen anything from any of my fish that you say youve seen. Even when i was video taping the pool to see the oscars spawn i didnt see any of what you have seen, who knows again lots of maybes. Maybe your fish you watched were cramped in a little itty bitty space, who knows lots of maybes. lol

ya know what i mean :headbang2

lots of maybes :ROFL:

at least youve made my day enjoyable and slightly amusing
 
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