It makes me laugh when I hear people say this is guaranteed to happen. Like the red devil eventually beating on 2 oscars. In this hobby every fish is different and nothing is a sure thing.
oscars and red devil?
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Comments like this only come from people who have never kept full grown labiatus (and by full grown I dont mean stunted 2 yr old fish)...or by someone who kept one/some in a completely overstocked tank with no room for the fish to turn around in.
99% of the time labiatus will wipe out all tank mates, so by a law of averages, its bound to happen at some point.
I would doubt the Rd will even be able to thrive in that tank, most likely the oscars will bully to the point that it will not eat or at best eat very little. You only going to end up with a malnourished stunted fish.
I would agree with smitty's comments bases on my experiences with my wild caught pair of labiatus along with growing out many of their fry. Hmmm..... I wonder which of the two categories I would fall into.
I would agree with smitty's comments bases on my experiences with my wild caught pair of labiatus along with growing out many of their fry. Hmmm..... I wonder which of the two categories I would fall into.
well you would fall into 1 of 3 categories.
1) a new category of people that didnt understand the response was in regard to the OPs question of labiatus living with 2 oscars (a community of other cichlids) and that smittys comments were useless to the thread . He obviously has no experience with these fish and has never read the hundreds/thousands of threads on MFK from members that have had these fish.
From my experience with 4+ labiatus, as well as other members posts on MFK, it shows that roughly less than 1% have been able to keep RDs in a community setting...making it fair to say "it just wont work" every time someone asks.
2) someone that thinks a pair of fish with fry is the context "community" was being used in in this particular thread, which it isnt.
3) the 1% of people that have had success keeping them in a community
I totally agree, either fish make great wet pets but the Oscar will get too big for the 75, so keep the RD
You would have to have had experience with at least a 100 pure labiatus to make your claims of 1% hold true. Something your not even close to. What exactly is "4+" either you've had 4 or mabye 5,6,or 7? You can't remember or what? I can give you two examples of PURE labiatus pairs living in communities. One being my own, the other being a pair of offspring of mine that HCR now keeps and has bread within his communities. So now, do you have 198 examples of failure to support your 1%?
Edit: My mistake, two pairs would be 4 fish, so you'll need to come up with 396 failures to support your 1%
Edit: My mistake, two pairs would be 4 fish, so you'll need to come up with 396 failures to support your 1%
Isn't that why you add a midas/red devil with another cichlid that has the same aggression level as them?I am sure there are some cichlids out there,that can be homed with a red devil in a 200+ gallon with less issues,while in a 75 gallon is a big no.I have heard horror stories,of a Jaguar cichlid that is 14 inches killing 6 cichlids in a 75 gallon set up.To me Jaguars are up there with a midas wanting a tank to them self.
Pure labiatus? Like youre the only one that has Jeff Rapps phone #? Give me a break. You drop "wild caught" into your description like it had any relevance and then act like others dont understand the current problem of hybridization in the citrinellum/labiatus complex.
Ive had a pair that spawned several times and 2 single males, grew out lots of fry etc, so that would be 4+.
I can give you 10 counts of them not working...all my own (and "pure" labiatus I tried to rehome), plus the people I gave those fish to that it didnt work with. Then theres the 1000s of threads on here of members that have had them that didnt work in communities.
If you want to promote a practice that, in the common sized tanks most people have access to or keep, has a roughly 1-5% success rate, so be it.
Ill promote the practice that it just doesnt work. except in HUGE tanks with like species, and even then, the RD is apt to still try and eliminate all other fish.
I'm not trying to promote anything, just stating fact. smitty commented on people's "guaranteed actions" which you took to 1% of the time in your attack on his comment. Now you've back pedaled and upped that to 5% and with exceptions. The truth is with proper research, experience and a little luck the odds of keeping red devils in a community is much higher then your claims.
. The truth is with proper research, experience and a little luck the odds of keeping red devils in a community is much higher then your claims.
I didnt back pedal, I just took into consideration, seeing that you had a 450g and thinking, that the possibilities of it being successful would be slightly higher in a HUGE tank. Most people just dont have or have access to something that big though, so its not something I consider often when answering a question/post.
