other fish with cowfish in 65gal fish only

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Yeah, they're cute when they are little, but check out their adult size. DEFINATELY NOT A BEGINNER FISH! They also require specialized feeding. Be sure to do thorough research on each & every species you are interested in. Liveaquaria has good info on minimum tank sizes & adult sizes of most fish. They also have combatibility charts & you can compare their prices to those that you see for sale in your LFS.
 
also; they release the toxins when they die
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Actually, they do not release toxins when they die. The toxin chemicals are created as needed and released through the skin.
 
justink;1403400; said:
well give me ideas of fish I could do for a 65 I'd love them to be interesting and colorfull. :) thankyou
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Depends on what you're planning on doing. Is this a "fish only with live rock" tank you're planning on? Not to be preachy but as someone who took the sw plunge a couple years ago I'd suggest going with the f.o.w.l.r. setup. You might want to start with some inverts and maybe a couple small fish. False clowns are readily available and fairly hardy. I know EVERYONE and their mother has one, but it's a good learning fish. Just my 2 cents.
 
Try to buy tank bred clowns, if at all possible.
 
SimonL;1403870; said:
Actually, they do not release toxins when they die. The toxin chemicals are created as needed and released through the skin.
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c'mon simondL; you must know this one.

they release it on accident when dead. see they always hold onto the toxins to themselves and release when they get scared or stressed, also when they die they don't have the strength(obviously) to hold onto the toxins, thus releasing it to the water
 
And where did you get this info, a bunch of uninformed posts on reef forums perhaps? ccdoido38, I managed an LFS for several years. I have seen many dead cowfish. I've never even seen one "nuke" a tank.

Please read this excellent website http://www.cowfishes.com/. Then search the internet, you will find several good articles about the biology of cowfish.
 
From what I've heard they can occasion release toxins when they die, but it's not a definite thing.

I'm no cowfish expert though, I could be very mistaken.

Well, here's what it says on the site you linked:

When a cowfish dies, does it release any toxins?
No, the ostracitoxin that cowfish release is actually chemically constructed as it is needed. If the fish is not alive to synthesis its bodily chemicals into toxin, it cannot release toxin after it dies. It may, however, have residual toxin if it were in the process of releasing toxin when it was actually dying.
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I could see them releasing/trying to release toxin if they become stressed while dying, though they apparently can't release it while dead. Either way not a good thing, so something to keep in mind.

From everything I've read I wouldn't attempt a cowfish if this is your first saltwater tank. Most people have some problems when they set up their first saltwater tank (take it from me, and I even researched BEFORE setting everything up but you can't forsee things when you haven't any experience yet), so best to go with some more hardy and easier to care for species like clownfish. Some species can actually get fairly large, so if they look tiny and non-interactive to you that's not necessarily true.

 
I was gonna say, if it died due to being harrassed by tankmates, etc, it may have "nuked". Death from disease or crappy water doesn't usually the stress necessary for toxin release.

My maroon clowns were a little too interactive, lol clownfish bite hard!
 
Yeah maroon clowns are my favorite. I saw some big adults at a fish store and didn't realize how beefy they actually get.
Unfortunately my reef tank is only 50g and I wanna do a bunch of docile little fish, so maroon clowns would kind of ruin that idea, lol.
 
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