There are lots of overated fish. Lots of overated fish can get to golioth sizes but ussaly do not get as big as people say. Lets take doviis for example, A few people have monster doviis so everyone thinks that they need monster tanks. At the same time it is hard to fine doviis over 16-18 inches on youtube. most fish do not have the genetics to become way bigger than normal. Than when a few do everyone thinks that all of that type of fish get HUGE. Okay I have to admit there are some fish that are way over avrage. It does not happen often thoug. see for yourself, see how many 24 inch doviis you can find on youtube. Just thought I would share this.
Overated fish
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Polypterus senegalus, although they don't get to "goliath sizes" everyone goes and says they need 75 gallon or bigger but I can see them living comfortably for life in 40 or even 30 breeder. And seriously, with all the farming being done and the inbred genetics they are even lucky to get to 12"
I think 30 is fine. unless you see the pair itself and the fish are huge or you are buying from someboudy that is known for produceing monsters. I would not belive ethat they got as big as some people saqy some fish are.
I'd have to say the black piranha and all piranhas people make them out to be big vicious fish. I've seen some big black piranhas on YouTube but most of them are 14 15 inches
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What oscaroo is saying is somewhat true. Buuuuuut!!!! It is also false too. Its an pretty much whoever your talking to this about.
My view is this. Most people making these videos don't always update as they forget to or just don't care anymore.
Cichlids-
Now if your buying fish from petsmart, petco, or other chain stores then yes most fish will never attain their true size but most fish won't. If you buy from breeders then you have fish that have a very good chance to reach massive sizes. I've seen plenty of dovii, umbee, jags and other fish that are just huge. Your dovii example is a pretty bad example because dovii grow quick to a foot and then slow right down and take years to reach 18+ inches. Females can be kept in smaller tanks but larger tanks are recommended because of how thick these and a lot of other fish can get.
Bichirs-
Most bichirs are fine in smaller tanks but mine are so active I couldn't see them in a small tank. Have you ever seen a full grown ornate, endi, weeksii or other large growing bichirs. They become very thick and need swimming room. My endi will need a much bigger tank and he will get it when its needed.
Oscaroo-
Your learning and coming along good in the hobby since I saw ur first post. Don't get the wrong idea but your experience doesn't go much further than oscars. This is a battle that you will probly end up losing on this forum. Your opinion is your right to post but its sounds like something you would hear in petsmart and see on their fish description tags. I hope this thread doesn't go down a bad road because its a good debate question I'm on the side of larger tanks for bigger fish
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My view is this. Most people making these videos don't always update as they forget to or just don't care anymore.
Cichlids-
Now if your buying fish from petsmart, petco, or other chain stores then yes most fish will never attain their true size but most fish won't. If you buy from breeders then you have fish that have a very good chance to reach massive sizes. I've seen plenty of dovii, umbee, jags and other fish that are just huge. Your dovii example is a pretty bad example because dovii grow quick to a foot and then slow right down and take years to reach 18+ inches. Females can be kept in smaller tanks but larger tanks are recommended because of how thick these and a lot of other fish can get.
Bichirs-
Most bichirs are fine in smaller tanks but mine are so active I couldn't see them in a small tank. Have you ever seen a full grown ornate, endi, weeksii or other large growing bichirs. They become very thick and need swimming room. My endi will need a much bigger tank and he will get it when its needed.
Oscaroo-
Your learning and coming along good in the hobby since I saw ur first post. Don't get the wrong idea but your experience doesn't go much further than oscars. This is a battle that you will probly end up losing on this forum. Your opinion is your right to post but its sounds like something you would hear in petsmart and see on their fish description tags. I hope this thread doesn't go down a bad road because its a good debate question I'm on the side of larger tanks for bigger fish
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Overrated fish keepers? Oscaroo for sure.
Oscaroo is much less retarded than he first started posting (and his post count since then indicates obsessive posting) the title of this thread is very strange, overated and "don't get as big as their maximum size suggests" are two different questions. the only reason why they post a maximum size is because that is the MAXIMUM. not the average. the fact is that a fish needs as much room as the experts see fit to live a healthy non restricted life in captivity. just because somebody has a stunted small senegal doesn't mean it should be kept in a smaller tank.
bare in mind that Dovii like a lot of other monster fish have an initial growth spurt and then will slowly grow 1-2" per year for the next few years. the reason why people on youtube probably don't have maximum size Dovii is because they are keeping them for a year and getting bored, not keeping the fish til it is FULLY GROWN.
looks like for the 2043rd time Oscaroo has asked a question he could have easily found the answer to on google or in a book
Oscaroo is much less retarded than he first started posting (and his post count since then indicates obsessive posting) the title of this thread is very strange, overated and "don't get as big as their maximum size suggests" are two different questions. the only reason why they post a maximum size is because that is the MAXIMUM. not the average. the fact is that a fish needs as much room as the experts see fit to live a healthy non restricted life in captivity. just because somebody has a stunted small senegal doesn't mean it should be kept in a smaller tank.
bare in mind that Dovii like a lot of other monster fish have an initial growth spurt and then will slowly grow 1-2" per year for the next few years. the reason why people on youtube probably don't have maximum size Dovii is because they are keeping them for a year and getting bored, not keeping the fish til it is FULLY GROWN.
looks like for the 2043rd time Oscaroo has asked a question he could have easily found the answer to on google or in a book
Youtube is a terrible example for anything like that. You have everyone posting, and the majority of people seem to be good at killing their fish. Not everyone that posts is a hobbyist, many are just someone with fish. And people don't update when their fish dies, when it outgrows the tank and they sell it, or when it gets bigger.
When a fish can take 5 years or more to reach max size after their initial growth rate you don't see a lot of updates. Most of my mature fish are larger than the majority you'll see on youtube and they're still not fullgrown yet. I've had my dat for 5 years from a 1 inch long baby and he's a foot long. It's going to take another several years to gain significantly more growth. So if I posted him today, what's the chance I'll be updating 5 years from now? I might post vids/pics of him somewhere, but it's not necessarily going to be in the same places I originally did. And that's with me and other people that keep their fish long term, not like a lot of people who keep a fish for several years and either get bored and sell out, or sell it when it gets too big.
When a fish can take 5 years or more to reach max size after their initial growth rate you don't see a lot of updates. Most of my mature fish are larger than the majority you'll see on youtube and they're still not fullgrown yet. I've had my dat for 5 years from a 1 inch long baby and he's a foot long. It's going to take another several years to gain significantly more growth. So if I posted him today, what's the chance I'll be updating 5 years from now? I might post vids/pics of him somewhere, but it's not necessarily going to be in the same places I originally did. And that's with me and other people that keep their fish long term, not like a lot of people who keep a fish for several years and either get bored and sell out, or sell it when it gets too big.
hope for the best, plan for the worst. This seems to just open the door for newbies and non-hobbyists to have bad advice and bad fish keeping practices. Yea, many fish dont reach their full potential, but when you state it like that, it sounds more like its rare to reach those sizes and you can keep those fish in smaller tanks. This only gives the impression that these fish can or should go in smaller tanks. Such as the common occurance of Oscars going in 20 or 30 g. Maybe these fish growing to full potential and needing a 75 or larger is rare, or maybe its rare from neglect and many people stunting them.
Polys sens are very active and should have swimming spaces, the other polys get larger and need space.
The other fish mentioned, jags, Os, dovii and large cats...I have seen many people keep these with no knowledge of fish. IE the die or get stunted out more times then not.
I agree, average size and max size are two different things, but when getting your stock you should still plan for the max size instead of saying "what am I giong to do with this massive fish? avg size was supposed to be..." Still, your going to be much more successful if you strive to create a good environment for your fish, not just the bare minimum size requirements for its size.
Polys sens are very active and should have swimming spaces, the other polys get larger and need space.
The other fish mentioned, jags, Os, dovii and large cats...I have seen many people keep these with no knowledge of fish. IE the die or get stunted out more times then not.
I agree, average size and max size are two different things, but when getting your stock you should still plan for the max size instead of saying "what am I giong to do with this massive fish? avg size was supposed to be..." Still, your going to be much more successful if you strive to create a good environment for your fish, not just the bare minimum size requirements for its size.
I'm not saying all sens should be kept in GIANT tanks, but my sen is a semi short body and he uses every square inch of my 225 as he races around the tank. sure he would survive in a 55 but as a result the fish wouldn't grow as fast or as big or show natural behaviours. a human CAN live in 1 room with all the right fixtures, does that mean you would want to do it?
half the people posting the videos on youtube with bad fishkeeping practises still probably know more than Oscaroo anyway
half the people posting the videos on youtube with bad fishkeeping practises still probably know more than Oscaroo anyway