Overestimated the size of our tank! (w/ pics)
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lilfats2;1497134; said:
Nice, just enough time to introduce some new parasites/diseases to the lake!
In the same way I don't believe in taking wildlife and trying to keep them as pets, I would never catch a fish and put it in my tank. I just don't like the idea of doing it, doesn't seem right. As I said before, I don't think it is legal in my country.
Yeah, I know many fish that people buy are taken from the wild, but not the ones I buy, especially not the ones I catch!
I think there is a sort of "not in my backyard" mentality going on here. Any fish in the aquarium trade comes from stock taken from the wild. Is it less dirty if someone else has taken the fish, with high losses from initial netting to pet store, than if someone catches a fish by their own methods and takes it home? I think catching your own fish to keep is more ethical than letting someone else do the dirty work, and taking an out of sight, out of mind stance on where the fish come from.
I worked for years in an LFS, and know for a fact that from capture to customer tank, the tropical fish trade has a ridiculously high mortality rate. I think local/personal breeding and selling is much more ethical than importing fish any day, but those fish have a lineages that are the same as all wild caught pet fish.
Now I work in fish conservation, and even though we do kill many fish for research purposes, I also catch and keep all kinds of fish for aquaria at home, school , and work. Amazingly mortality is extremely low with this method. I'v even kept fish caught with electrofishing with no problem. However, I'm not going to strip a river clean of all of a certain fish, such as darters, to supply the demand of a foreign country. I think that is the true crime in this hobby. Who are we to think we deserve to strip another land's natural resources just because our dollar goes farther over there, and entice people with less money to sell off their local wildlife?
I didn't want to have any part of this thread after reading the hypocrisy and ignorance throughout it, but I just couldn't read another word of it without saying anything. And guess who else is guilty of this hypocrisy... me. Yes, I have a tank of bichirs at home. Fish that came from lands where my dollar goes very far. However, at this point I support the aquarium fish trade as little as possible. My personal stance now is to not buy improted fish anymore.
I think it's great when people put local fish in tanks for their education, enjoyment, and overall appreciation. People are also less likely to deplete a resource if it is for personal use, and not a profit (though it does happen).
The Rainbow Trout was also not native, but stocked, and my personal belief is that it doesn't belong in the wilds of Arizona.
And one more thing, before you criticize what other people put in their tanks, check what you have and the size of tanks you keep them in. Oh wait, someone else did the dirty work and caught those fish, so it must be ok.
I worked for years in an LFS, and know for a fact that from capture to customer tank, the tropical fish trade has a ridiculously high mortality rate. I think local/personal breeding and selling is much more ethical than importing fish any day, but those fish have a lineages that are the same as all wild caught pet fish.
Now I work in fish conservation, and even though we do kill many fish for research purposes, I also catch and keep all kinds of fish for aquaria at home, school , and work. Amazingly mortality is extremely low with this method. I'v even kept fish caught with electrofishing with no problem. However, I'm not going to strip a river clean of all of a certain fish, such as darters, to supply the demand of a foreign country. I think that is the true crime in this hobby. Who are we to think we deserve to strip another land's natural resources just because our dollar goes farther over there, and entice people with less money to sell off their local wildlife?
I didn't want to have any part of this thread after reading the hypocrisy and ignorance throughout it, but I just couldn't read another word of it without saying anything. And guess who else is guilty of this hypocrisy... me. Yes, I have a tank of bichirs at home. Fish that came from lands where my dollar goes very far. However, at this point I support the aquarium fish trade as little as possible. My personal stance now is to not buy improted fish anymore.
I think it's great when people put local fish in tanks for their education, enjoyment, and overall appreciation. People are also less likely to deplete a resource if it is for personal use, and not a profit (though it does happen).
The Rainbow Trout was also not native, but stocked, and my personal belief is that it doesn't belong in the wilds of Arizona.
And one more thing, before you criticize what other people put in their tanks, check what you have and the size of tanks you keep them in. Oh wait, someone else did the dirty work and caught those fish, so it must be ok.
Well put rjmtx.
There are much more cruel practices than putting a fish in a tank, watching it for awhile and then deciding to eat it.
Hopefully none of you eat fish or other meat from the store, because those animals were put through MUCH more stress than this particular fish.
As far as taking it from the wild, so what? The fish was caught legally, and for that matter it was stocked and not even native.
There are much more cruel practices than putting a fish in a tank, watching it for awhile and then deciding to eat it.
Hopefully none of you eat fish or other meat from the store, because those animals were put through MUCH more stress than this particular fish.
As far as taking it from the wild, so what? The fish was caught legally, and for that matter it was stocked and not even native.
rjmtx is correct that fish was stocked.But how many other native species have been placed in areas were they weren't there before? Fish trade is becoming high in profit and to help out another country ( i'm talking leagally now ) in my point of view is great but not to deplete the species to almost extinction (for any species ). I am a native nut and i do hold natives species aswell as non-native, for the non-natives i try to breed and sell to LFS for alot of reasons and i know i am not the only one to do this, but what can we do to really stop the trades for anything if were're buying and selling to other countrys?Money talks and there is alot of people around the world that just don't care what happens to the envoirment surrounding them just so long they have what they want to keep them happy, we all get stuff from other countrys such as gas and until the day that we can live in peace, this world is going down, and by the time it finally hits everyone, it will be to late to do anything but sit back and wait for the outcome, i just hope that we can come together and change before it will effect our kids and their kids and so forth, but who am i kidding we have all heard this before right!!
It's the tragedy of the commons. If you've never read Hardin's paper, it's worth a few minutes of your life. Here's a link http://dieoff.org/page95.htm
thehappypet;1494579; said:
Did you know that most trout are hatchery raised and are mainly found in areas that they are artificially introduced into? They are a destructive species that has displace or destroyed a large number of native fish populations.
They are also Quite tasty.
By the way, do you keep fish? Are they in the wild now? Your statement seems a bit hipocritical.
that fish would have just died in the wild as soon as the weather got warm any way thats what happens with stocked trout!
haha thats cool. i wish i had a fw tank and fish that were of edible quality and not toxic like the ones in south FL lol. i wouldnt mind keepin a fish i caught in my tank for a few hours before eating it. i like seenin native fish in aquariums. it gives us a different way to observe them other than when they are on the end of our lines or swimming away from us when they see us
