right now i have some dovii i will be growing out, and was planning on getting a pair out of them, but they are all siblings. if im not letting the fry get into the hobby is there any problems with doing this?
pairing up siblings?
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While inbreeding isn't necessarily good, it's not necessarily bad either. Half the people that "want to introduce new bloodlines" to their colonies or pairs end up running around to a handful of different stores, and then growing them out presuming they're from different bloodlines.
Large scale breeders supply stores and wholesalers. Most fish stores will have most of their stock supplied from wholesalers, and just as many will also take stock from credible breeders. If you're breeding on a large scale with 5 tanks of a certain species that breed easily and can pump out plenty of fry, like Jaguars or Texas for example, you're going to supply everyone you can.
What I'm basically trying to say is that even if you want to split your bloodlines, there's a pretty decent chance that store a, store b and store c are supplied by the same breeder.
While properly diversifying your bloodlines to avoid inbreeding as much as possible is definitely recommended, it doesn't necessarily matter. If you've got two great specimens who pair up, grow out the fry. If you seriously consider them high quality, I can't see any problem with getting them out there - inbred or not.
Large scale breeders supply stores and wholesalers. Most fish stores will have most of their stock supplied from wholesalers, and just as many will also take stock from credible breeders. If you're breeding on a large scale with 5 tanks of a certain species that breed easily and can pump out plenty of fry, like Jaguars or Texas for example, you're going to supply everyone you can.
What I'm basically trying to say is that even if you want to split your bloodlines, there's a pretty decent chance that store a, store b and store c are supplied by the same breeder.
While properly diversifying your bloodlines to avoid inbreeding as much as possible is definitely recommended, it doesn't necessarily matter. If you've got two great specimens who pair up, grow out the fry. If you seriously consider them high quality, I can't see any problem with getting them out there - inbred or not.
i dont even want the fry, i just want to get the behavior you get out of a pair so it sounds like things will be fine.japes;2957853; said:
bigspizz;2957875; said:
You're looking at it from too broad a perspective. Breeder Joe lives in a decent sized city with 20 stores that sell fish. He's not interested in freighting and he's producing enough Firemouth or whichever species to consistently supply 10 stores in the city.
Fred wants to buy some Firemouth to get a breeding pair, he decides to buy 2 fish per store, from 4 different stores to hopefully get a pair that isn't related.
See where I'm going with this? How is that "crazy"?
Inbreeding in this hobby is incredibly common and for the most part there isn't an issue with it anyway. Diversifying (or attempting to) is always good practice, though.
Totally agree Japes.. Alot of pairs are formed from the one batch of any fry.. this only becomes a problem many generations down the line, as quality deteriates...
P.S nice BLOOD PARROT in your avatar bigspizz...
P.S nice BLOOD PARROT in your avatar bigspizz...
There were some studies done with African cichlids that showed that the detrimental effects of inbreeding weren't noticeable until the 4th generation of sibling to sibling breeding. Journal here. I wouldn't worry about anything.
Odds are most of the captive bred dovii in the states are related to the one's you got Joe (albeit distantly). As Mel said, he's estimated to have handed out at least 100,000 dovii fry over the 20+ years he's had this line.
Odds are most of the captive bred dovii in the states are related to the one's you got Joe (albeit distantly). As Mel said, he's estimated to have handed out at least 100,000 dovii fry over the 20+ years he's had this line.
i would try to avoid it, i cant see the point as you'll end up getting fry which are similar to the inbred hillbilly child off of harold and kumar escape to guantanamo bay.