yeah his tanks are great. Definately going to go for the slow moving turbid water theme. the only thing i cant figuare out now is what kind of background would go. thanks for the advice on substrate, im definately going for sand and they are the plants i had in mind to use, keep the ideas coming guys. Iv bought 2 great pieces of wood today that i will post pictures of. Gonna go grab sand tommorrow and some large stones, pebbles and a couple of flat stones. i found some great green slate that i was going to try to incorporate into hte background but i just want any other ideas on backgrounds.