Passive motoro

[Proximus]

A bunch of pictures.

I have just removed all the sand in the tank, and added Tetra Aquasafe + salt. Yesterday i added one tablespoon with salt per 26,5 gallon water. And today i dubbled it after a 50% water change.

The Hystrix actually looks better (eats- and more active than yesterday), but the two motoros are just laying there at the bottom.

 

[Proximus]

Note the pelvic fins on the motoro. (Picture 4, 5, and 6).

 

[inkid]

did you check the water?
what is the ph? ammonia? and NO3 reading?

 

[Proximus]

Parameters have been stabile lately, but i had a PH drop for 2-3 weeks ago. Dropped from 7,2 - 6. And also the nitrate level was too high..
I was gone, and had someone feeding them - never again. Rather let them go without food the next time.

Anyway- culd this be the result of the bad water they where exposed to for 2-3 weeks ago?


I think this whole thing mayby are coused by more than only one factor.. Culd be multiple reasons... actually i find more potential reasons the more i read here on MFK. The sand i had in the tank was probably one of them btw...

 

[Deaths Sting]

Anyway- culd this be the result of the bad water they where exposed to for 2-3 weeks ago?

- yes, very possible.. the water could still be bad..

answer these questions, please:

-what was the ammonia and all other water parameters for the past few weeks?
u still haven't told us what the ammonia levels are or have been..this is very important!

(examples of parameters which u may not observe, but should..)

-KH (alkalinity)
-GH (general hardness)
i need u to find out what they are.. from ur earlier post:

Parameters have been stabile lately, but i had a PH drop for 2-3 weeks ago. Dropped from 7,2 - 6.

it seems that u have fluctuating Ph problem.. this may mean ur KH is probably pretty low..

-what are ur water parameters now?
-what are the water parameters of ur tap water?
-are u sure the tank has properly cycled??
-how long has the tank been set up for?
-have u had all 3 filters for that same period of time?

to be honest it doesn't look to serious.. then again u haven't given us enough info on tank. if the ray totally stops eating and begins to curl up, then u know something is very wrong..

 

[Proximus]

- yes, very possible.. the water could still be bad..

answer these questions, please:

-what was the ammonia and all other water parameters for the past few weeks? I am not fkn able to get amonia test around here. So i dont have a slightest idea on that one. I have changed water 3-4 times per week with that in mind to keep the tap water- and tank water as equal as possible... but still i did obusly fckd this whole thing up.

As i have told earlier the PH dropped at one point. At the same time the nitrate level was too high. This happend when i was gone for some days (stupidity). Other than that the PH have been stabile at 7, and i have had controll over the nitrate levels.


... i have realized i prbly was too quick and eager when introducing rays to my tank. It all went too fast. And of course(!), i shuld not have gone on this little "vacation"- at that point. I fear this is the main reason this have been a total fiasco so far- and that these sick rays are a resoult of this PH/nitrate "crack" two-tree weeks ago..


u still haven't told us what the ammonia levels are or have been..this is very important! Wish i culd.

(examples of parameters which u may not observe, but should..)

-KH (alkalinity)
-GH (general hardness)
i need u to find out what they are.. from ur earlier post:

it seems that u have fluctuating Ph problem.. this may mean ur KH is probably pretty low..

-what are ur water parameters now?
No2 - 0mg/l
No3 - 5mg/l
KH - 6
GH - 3
PH - 7.
-what are the water parameters of ur tap water?
No2 - 0mg/l
No3 - 0mg/l
KH - 6
GH - 6
PH - 7,2.
-are u sure the tank has properly cycled??
I am shure it has now, but i am also shure it was NOT at the time i introduced the rays. duh
-how long has the tank been set up for?
Around six weeks i think.
-have u had all 3 filters for that same period of time?
Yes.

to be honest it doesn't look to serious.. What doesen`t look serious? This whole attemt to keep rays, or do you mean the actual state the rays are in? Excuse me for asking- but i am not shure if i understans you correctly. then again u haven't given us enough info on tank. if the ray totally stops eating and begins to curl up, then u know something is very wrong..

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[Proximus]

BTW; One thing is to address the errors i have made (which of course is important)- another thing is to find a way to save the rays from dying NOW!

Suggestions..?

 

[Deaths Sting]

alright thanks for answering the questions!

as for the ammonia test kit, u can easily order one online and have it shipped to u. that's what i have done in the past. to be honest i like doing things online... that way i don't have to drive around searching for stuff at the crappy LFS. plus, buying things online is often cheaper then the LFS.. well for me it is..

if u feel u rushed the whole process of getting a ray.. then u probably did.. but its good that u realized it. next time u will know better, we all make mistakes and its ok. just keep doing water changes and monitor the rays condition. you can try adding salt and raising the temp to 86 slowly.. also make sure to dissolve all of the salt in a bucket prior to added it to the tank.. or else it will burn the ray! the wounds dont look to bad from what u have shown us.. salt may not be needed in my experience ive only added salt and raised temp when large chucks were missing from my rays disc..

keeping the water PRISTINE!! will be the most beneficial to the rays recovery..IMO

when i said it doesn't look to serous, i meant the state of the ray.. in no way am i trying to under mind ur abilities of keeping rays. i think ur are doing a good job, by coming here and learning.

 

[Proximus]

Thank you for taking the time to respond. Highly appreciated.

Learn new stuff every time im online on MFK. Actually i belive i have been overloaded with information up to this point

I have been dealing with so much different information- i have almost lost my sanity some times. But.. i am getting somewhere.

Wished i never had to make any indivdual suffer in my progress as a raykeeper.. but i have realised the fact that some things- you just have to learn by experience.

I will keep on changing water, rise the temperature a bit, and i will keep adding some amounts of salt- Wich from now on will be dissolved before going in the tank! I hope this eventually will turn the possible failure in to a success.

I btw do have one question for you. How much salt wuld you have added- from your experience? I have now worked my way up to 3 tabloespoons per 26 Gallon. +/-? What do you think?

Fingers crossed.

/ Proximus

 

[Deaths Sting]

Thank you for taking the time to respond. Highly appreciated.

Learn new stuff every time im online on MFK. Actually i belive i have been overloaded with information up to this point

I have been dealing with so much different information- i have almost lost my sanity some times. But.. i am getting somewhere.

Wished i never had to make any indivdual suffer in my progress as a raykeeper.. but i have realised the fact that some things- you just have to learn by experience.

I will keep on changing water, rise the temperature a bit, and i will keep adding some amounts of salt- Wich from now on will be dissolved before going in the tank! I hope this eventually will turn the possible failure in to a success.

I btw do have one question for you. How much salt wuld you have added- from your experience? I have now worked my way up to 3 tabloespoons per 26 Gallon. +/-? What do you think?

Fingers crossed.

/ Proximus

when i used salt i did 1lb/100gallons, worked great for me. i raised the temp slowly over 3 days from 80.1 - 85.9