Pbass Coloration
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Danh;1674238; said:
^ lol... i know dan the man that you dont agree with me on this one.. and i also have that question. how does it?
cichla are extremely soft water fish that come from 100% salt fresh environment. the water in your tank may evaporate but the salt molecules dont. adding salt stresses out your fish, which i feel is bad. from what im told adding salt causes stress making your fish to excrete more slime which helps them heal?
and rio negro i highly disagree with your that farms and wilds are the same and get the same colors. most farm cichla are mixed. they a constantly being cross with the same sibling from broods and cause genetic changes. that why you will see farm monos ect have diff color, pattern, body shape, fins ect
Then it will be our good fortune if you could point these out in future photos. This way, all of us will be able to see the difference and accept your views. Cool?
Thanks for all of the posts people. I'll keep doing what I'm doing and just wait it out. Unfortunately I have no idea if my mono is wild or farm raised, but I'm guessing farm raised is far more common...so I'm going to assume he's NOT wild caught.
As far as the salt discussion goes...here's a little write up I found on how salt helps (note at the end of the write-up he even mentions how not everyone agrees with this):
Rock salt -The Magic Solution
By Clint Norwood
The use of 1 teaspoon of regular rock salt per gallon of aquarium water will do wonders for your fish. It's a sort of magic elixer for sluggish fish, it will cure or prevent most fish ailments, and I believe it helps the fish grow faster, and "live long and prosper". If your fish is really sick then I suggest adding another teaspoon of salt to make it 2 teaspoons per gallon. Salt works its magic in 3 ways, 1. parasites and other undesirables in the aquarium are adversely affected by salt, so it is a treatment and preventative for parasites. 2. Wounds heal faster with salt in the water (ever notice how sores heal faster after you swin in the ocean?) and 3. Fish being in water all day have a stressful time trying to keep the right amount of liquid in their body, salt helps the fish in this battle (liken this to the wrinkles you get after a long bath)
Suppose you have an 10 gallon aquarium and you put 5 gallons of fresh-water into it, now if you add 5 gallons of marine (ocean) water you wouldn't have 5 gallons of salt water and 5 gallons of fresh-water. You would have 10 gallons of brackish water. What happens is that the fresh and saltly water mixes. Alright, suppose you had bag of fresh-water that was semi-porus, and you put it into an aquarium full of saltwater. If you left the bag in there overnight and took the bag out and tasted the water you would find that it turned into salty water, how salty would depend on how porus the bag was. But the point is that a fishes skin is a porus membrane. So if a fish is swimming around in a completly saltless aquarium, and the fishes somewhat salty blood and body fluids are contained in a porus membrane (fish skin) then the fish has to fight to maintain the proper chemistry within it's own body. Naturally increasing the salt content of the water toward the same level that is within the fishes body will relieve some of the pressure involved in this process, and make life easier for the fish. This same principal holds true in reverse for saltwater fish. So the conclusion is that a teaspoon of salt per gallon will help a freshwater fish, and a less than normal salt concentration will help a saltwater fish.
When using rock salt you don't have to worry about it being "iodized" or not, theres not enough iodine to really make any difference, and iodine is a trace element found in most natural water anyway.
There are no freshwater fish that are harmed in any way by the addition of 1 teaspoon of salt per gallon. I have never experienced any problem with plants and low salt concentrations, I would quess that 90% of all aquarium plants are not affected by 1 teaspoon of salt per gallon, nor are snails, shrimp, African frogs, Daphnia , nor any and all fish including Catfish, not even Corydoras.
How much (how little) is 1 level teaspoon per gallon?
1 teaspoon = .13% of a gallon
2 teaspoons = .26% of a gallon
3 teaspoons = .39% of a gallon - also = 1 tablespoon
4 teaspoons = .52% of a gallon
8 teaspoons = 1.04% of a gallon
So it takes 24 teaspoons of salt per gallon to make a 3% medicinal saltwater dip solution.
Or to make it easier to understand, it takes approximately 770 teaspoons to equal a gallon
The usual arguments against salt are that "My fish do fine without any salt in the water" , to which I would say, good! but they will do better with salt in the water. I do fine without seatbelts too, unless I need them.
The use of salt and/or a copper based fish medicine such as "Had-A-Snail" or "Aquaisol" will cure or prevent just about all treatable fish diseases. </B>
Note: The use of salt for disease prevention and cure is a greatly debated subject on our message board. I personally believe in it's magic, but many people disagree.
As far as the salt discussion goes...here's a little write up I found on how salt helps (note at the end of the write-up he even mentions how not everyone agrees with this):
Rock salt -The Magic Solution
By Clint Norwood
The use of 1 teaspoon of regular rock salt per gallon of aquarium water will do wonders for your fish. It's a sort of magic elixer for sluggish fish, it will cure or prevent most fish ailments, and I believe it helps the fish grow faster, and "live long and prosper". If your fish is really sick then I suggest adding another teaspoon of salt to make it 2 teaspoons per gallon. Salt works its magic in 3 ways, 1. parasites and other undesirables in the aquarium are adversely affected by salt, so it is a treatment and preventative for parasites. 2. Wounds heal faster with salt in the water (ever notice how sores heal faster after you swin in the ocean?) and 3. Fish being in water all day have a stressful time trying to keep the right amount of liquid in their body, salt helps the fish in this battle (liken this to the wrinkles you get after a long bath)
Suppose you have an 10 gallon aquarium and you put 5 gallons of fresh-water into it, now if you add 5 gallons of marine (ocean) water you wouldn't have 5 gallons of salt water and 5 gallons of fresh-water. You would have 10 gallons of brackish water. What happens is that the fresh and saltly water mixes. Alright, suppose you had bag of fresh-water that was semi-porus, and you put it into an aquarium full of saltwater. If you left the bag in there overnight and took the bag out and tasted the water you would find that it turned into salty water, how salty would depend on how porus the bag was. But the point is that a fishes skin is a porus membrane. So if a fish is swimming around in a completly saltless aquarium, and the fishes somewhat salty blood and body fluids are contained in a porus membrane (fish skin) then the fish has to fight to maintain the proper chemistry within it's own body. Naturally increasing the salt content of the water toward the same level that is within the fishes body will relieve some of the pressure involved in this process, and make life easier for the fish. This same principal holds true in reverse for saltwater fish. So the conclusion is that a teaspoon of salt per gallon will help a freshwater fish, and a less than normal salt concentration will help a saltwater fish.
When using rock salt you don't have to worry about it being "iodized" or not, theres not enough iodine to really make any difference, and iodine is a trace element found in most natural water anyway.
There are no freshwater fish that are harmed in any way by the addition of 1 teaspoon of salt per gallon. I have never experienced any problem with plants and low salt concentrations, I would quess that 90% of all aquarium plants are not affected by 1 teaspoon of salt per gallon, nor are snails, shrimp, African frogs, Daphnia , nor any and all fish including Catfish, not even Corydoras.
How much (how little) is 1 level teaspoon per gallon?
1 teaspoon = .13% of a gallon
2 teaspoons = .26% of a gallon
3 teaspoons = .39% of a gallon - also = 1 tablespoon
4 teaspoons = .52% of a gallon
8 teaspoons = 1.04% of a gallon
So it takes 24 teaspoons of salt per gallon to make a 3% medicinal saltwater dip solution.
Or to make it easier to understand, it takes approximately 770 teaspoons to equal a gallon
The usual arguments against salt are that "My fish do fine without any salt in the water" , to which I would say, good! but they will do better with salt in the water. I do fine without seatbelts too, unless I need them.
The use of salt and/or a copper based fish medicine such as "Had-A-Snail" or "Aquaisol" will cure or prevent just about all treatable fish diseases. </B>
Note: The use of salt for disease prevention and cure is a greatly debated subject on our message board. I personally believe in it's magic, but many people disagree.
Boost, I know you know.. lol. I was just saying that I somewhat agree with you by asking that questions.
Where in that topic did it say anything about diseases? Parasites aren't diseases. Wounds aren't diseases. I agree with what that says for the most part. I use a little salt sometimes, but haven't been using it in my big tank and all of the fish are great.
I also disagree that it's magic......
Where in that topic did it say anything about diseases? Parasites aren't diseases. Wounds aren't diseases. I agree with what that says for the most part. I use a little salt sometimes, but haven't been using it in my big tank and all of the fish are great.
I also disagree that it's magic......
Danh;1675701; said:
I absolutely agree with you dan...that's why I posted it.
I think a lot of people bunch parasites in a general group as "disease". I have never used salt for any sort of disease...but I have had great results with any quarantined fish with parasitic infections.
As far as aquarium salt goes.
1) It's completely different from sea salt. Therefor it should not stress your fresh water fish.
2) Salt actually helps soften the water. So, if cichla thrive in soft water, ta-dah! Add some non-iodized rock salt.
1) It's completely different from sea salt. Therefor it should not stress your fresh water fish.
2) Salt actually helps soften the water. So, if cichla thrive in soft water, ta-dah! Add some non-iodized rock salt.
lol salt softened water isnt good for fish that come from salt free soft water enviornments.. there is a whole thread on this. i havnt used salt in years my fish are healthy and seem to always have good colors.
and rio negro.. i do point out when i see wild fish on the forum.. not many people on this forum have them and i still dis agree.. wild fish have nicer colors
and rio negro.. i do point out when i see wild fish on the forum.. not many people on this forum have them and i still dis agree.. wild fish have nicer colors
