Pellets

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Hikari and the like can raise a fish like an Oscar etc. Its essentially flavored cardboard, but I've raised several cichlids off of it.

When I started keeping more bloat prone fish is when I noticed a huge difference. My death toll went down drastically with a quality pellet.

It's all subjective. Feed the best pellet you can afford or find.

Personally with my old cichlids I used nls and omega one.
 
Fish are triggered to feed by sight, smell, taste, and feel (palatability). A starchy food that absorbs water readily, and become soft to the mouth, while still retaining good flavour, is why some foods are easier to train with, compared to more dense, less starchy foods. For uber picky fish this is sometimes the way one has to go. Lucky for me I don't generally have to deal with uber picky fish, so hard nutrient dense feed has never been an issue. Water is not a nutrient.

Btw, has anyone else tried Ocean Nutrition pellets? I can't find NLS or Omega One here but a couple of shops in Bangkok have these pellets.

Yes, they have been around for many years, but never really big with freshwater folks, more geared towards the marine market. Not sure how readily available this food even is anymore? Years ago they moved their manufacturing facility to Thailand, hence why they are readily available where you are. If you check their website for store locators, Canada isn't even listed. lol I know that years ago when the CFIA starting blocking Asian made foods (during the melamine fiasco) they needed to have their facilities inspected by Canadian CFIA officials, or exporting here was a no go. But even a country such as Germany only has 3 stores listed as carrying it. Hmmmm.


I dont like how NLS seems to not have standard pellet sizes for all the formulas and the larger sized pellets really arent that large and seem harder to get. ThereA , algaemax , float, megafish/giant all come in different sized pellets instead of the same sizes across the board.

As I explained to you in the past, this all boils down to sales. The most popular sizes sell the most (1mm and 2mm), hence they are the most readily available from vendors. Vendors only want to carry what moves, not what sells to only a select few, vs the masses. From a sales perspective, that's just common sense, get it in, and sell it quick. Keep the $$$ moving. Manufacturers only make what the vast majority of vendors want to buy. Business 101. After being in this market for 25+ years, I suspect that the owner of New Life knows what is to him financially feasible in producing, marketing, and selling, and what isn't. I can tell you that my sales as a distributor of NLS for close to a decade, mirrored the manufacturers sales with regards to overall sizes. Everyone wanted 1 and 2 mm TherA, less for 3mm TherA, and FAR less for the 6mm TherA. But if you look at the hobby as a whole, which someone selling to the masses has to do, the average fish keeper has a 30 gallon tank, with 3-4" fish, not a 300 gallon tank, with 12"+ fish. But that said, 6mm - 7mm pellets are large enough for 24"+ fish, so I don't how as you say;
the larger sized pellets really arent that large

Unless you have fish over 3ft in length, 6mm-7mm pellets are more than large enough for the vast majority of tropical species. 10mm is for giant fish, this is the size that a sturgeon farm would feed a 3-4ft white sturgeon in their facilities. You might for whatever reason want something larger in size, maybe to fit your community of fish feeding strategy, but it certainly isn't required for feeding a fish in those size ranges.
 
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Funny ive never had any of my fish like the hikari carnivore products. Even small fish wouldnt take the little carnivore wafers. NLS is a good food my guys love it but i prefer a little variety. All new fish are being forced to accept hikari and OO along with NLS. I dont like how NLS seems to not have standard pellet sizes for all the formulas and the larger sized pellets really arent that large and seem harder to get. The only formula with decent sized pellets that actually sink for me was mega fish which i think has been changed to Giant 10mm still on the smaller side. Everything else floats for awhile... not cool when you have overflows to deal with.
ThereA , algaemax , float, megafish/giant all come in different sized pellets instead of the same sizes across the board.

Well of course I can't speak for your fish, but I guess the fish here in Thailand are just strange or something lol -- besides the fish mentioned I also had a bichir chomping down on Sinking Carnivore first attempt next day after bringing it home. My Flagtail, which is growing like a sprout clearly prefers Sinking Carnivore over any other pellet as well and lol it's supposed to be more ominivorous with herbivorous leanings lol.

Also as mentioned and shown in another thread with video in Datnoid sub-forum, my young NTT Datnoid goes absoutely bonkers over the stuff -- and will spit out any other kind of pellet. Even prefers it over frozen shrimp. Funny yeah, but true. Meanwhile I see peeps all over the internet moaning about how they can't get their Dat's on pellets, me and my Dat are just saying "Huh?" but I guess just like with people I guess, "different wishes for different fishes".

As a side note, no problems with Sinking Carnivore floating -- it goes straight down -- given your issues with both your new Dat not eating pellets and also other sinking pellets floating too long, it might be worth another try.
 
Ocean nutrition isn't bad imo. I've used it and seaweed in the past. Its especially good with finicky fish from my experience. I can't remember what size pellets they have.

Maybe it's good for finicky fish because its got to be the smelliest fish food I've ever used lol, it's pretty strong. That said my Datnoid won't eat it, I really only feed it to my Kamfa (and Formula 2 for Flagtail on occasion).
 
As I explained to you in the past, this all boils down to sales. The most popular sizes sell the most (1mm and 2mm), hence they are the most readily available from vendors. Vendors only want to carry what moves, not what sells to only a select few, vs the masses. From a sales perspective, that's just common sense, get it in, and sell it quick. Keep the $$$ moving. Manufacturers only make what the vast majority of vendors want to buy. Business 101. After being in this market for 25+ years, I suspect that the owner of New Life knows what is to him financially feasible in producing, marketing, and selling, and what isn't. I can tell you that my sales as a distributor of NLS for close to a decade, mirrored the manufacturers sales with regards to overall sizes. Everyone wanted 1 and 2 mm TherA, less for 3mm TherA, and FAR less for the 6mm TherA. But if you look at the hobby as a whole, which someone selling to the masses has to do, the average fish keeper has a 30 gallon tank, with 3-4" fish, not a 300 gallon tank, with 12"+ fish. But that said, 6mm - 7mm pellets are large enough for 24"+ fish, so I don't how as you say;


Unless you have fish over 3ft in length, 6mm-7mm pellets are more than large enough for the vast majority of tropical species. 10mm is for giant fish, this is the size that a sturgeon farm would feed a 3-4ft white sturgeon in their facilities. You might for whatever reason want something larger in size, maybe to fit your community of fish feeding strategy, but it certainly isn't required for feeding a fish in those size ranges.

All of this may be true their business their model.

The pellets sizes arent that big imo i have a 6 inch fish that has no issues taking down a 10mm wafer, shes definitely not a mega fish. I Dont have sturgeon or 3ft fish but regardless I prefer a larger pellet and would like the sizes to be consistent through out the different formulas. Is it the end of the world ? Probably not and theres other manufacturers to choose from.

What we like/dislike are specific to each of us. Different strokes for different folks

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I find the NLS too small also but often just pre soak for a couple of minutes and they are large enough.
I hate it when they dont sink lol
 
The problem with pellet sizes, and feeding, is that manufacturers tend to look at their business model of course, but they also look at many years of keeping fish (the owner of NLS started keeping fish before I was born, which was 60 yrs ago) and the science behind the feeding of fish, such as total digestibility, nutrient density, feed conversion ratios, etc. It's not about how BIG of a pellet a fish can choke down, it's about digestion, absorption of nutrients, and the waste that comes out of their mouth, gills, and/or arse. Too large of pellet causes waste, and poor absorption/digestion of nutrients. In fact, too large of particle size in the raw ingredients of a pellet causes the same. In a low quality farm feed you can actually see little bits of the raw ingredients. So a manufacturers decision is not generally based on likes. or dislikes, or idle chatter on fish forums.

I recall many years back a member on another forum fine tuned the feeding on a salmon farm in BC, and got the feed conversion rate much lower than in previous yrs on this farm. The cost savings in a single year was $300,000. Feed costs has always been a major factor with hobbyists, so things like total digestibility, and FCR, should also be important in the overall equation. Some people just don't realize how much is being wasted I guess? And I have seen many people over the years feeding pellets that are FAR too large for their fish to properly digest. No different than those that overfeed I guess?
 
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Well of course I can't speak for your fish, but I guess the fish here in Thailand are just strange or something lol -- besides the fish mentioned I also had a bichir chomping down on Sinking Carnivore first attempt next day after bringing it home. My Flagtail, which is growing like a sprout clearly prefers Sinking Carnivore over any other pellet as well and lol it's supposed to be more ominivorous with herbivorous leanings lol.

Also as mentioned and shown in another thread with video in Datnoid sub-forum, my young NTT Datnoid goes absoutely bonkers over the stuff -- and will spit out any other kind of pellet. Even prefers it over frozen shrimp. Funny yeah, but true. Meanwhile I see peeps all over the internet moaning about how they can't get their Dat's on pellets, me and my Dat are just saying "Huh?" but I guess just like with people I guess, "different wishes for different fishes".

As a side note, no problems with Sinking Carnivore floating -- it goes straight down -- given your issues with both your new Dat not eating pellets and also other sinking pellets floating too long, it might be worth another try.
I think my fish are just abnormal. I preferred it if they would eat the other foods. Allot of the poly guys say NLS was never accepted and massivore was a fan fave.... my fish were the opposite.
 
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