PETA sue Seaworld for enslave the whales...

[probassfisher010]

Obviosly one species is more intelligent then others... it is also arguable that humas are the smartest....but no I won't go into that... I get that higher intelligent animals probably do realise that they are being mistreated and can't roam to their full extent, especially if taken out of the wild. The only thing I am trying to say is why give the right to one animal to be free, and take the right away from another species? We humans are a selfish race, and I think it should be up to the person to make their own decision...if keeping a fish is okay to you, but keeping an orca isn't...fine...but just realise it's almost the same thing on different scales.

EDIT: over and out.

 

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

Getting sick and tired of all the in fighting oof all animal keepers. Take his X but leave my Y alone. He dont needs that anyway. Yahuk. Really starting to irk me.

I actually support captive whales, same as I support hunting, fishing, fish keeping etc. exposure to these things are the sole way we will be able to preserve them. Gar are a great example. They had no protection from anyone for the longest time and still dont in many place. They survive in much less area as they once did. Fishing has granted them some protection in texas. Conservation through commercilization. Wether that be captive breeding, zoos or hunting.

 

[jakeca77]

So it's your reason: Orcas ain't pet or fish? Lot of fish in capitivity don't met all of their requirements either and so are the rest of pets. Hamsters and other rodents are kept in smaller glass tanks and a wheel for only exercises. Birds kept in cages that is too small for them to fly around. Rabbits being kept in the cage above the ground and crapping through the cages and are not allow to burrow like their wild cousins. Even the dogs and cats don't meet their full requirements either as we denied their roaming and their natural intisncts. (seriously how many overweight house pets in the world?!?) Big cats and other predators are kept in enclourse, yet in the wild they have HUGE range.

It appeared that Orcas are adapt to capitivity life, otherwise if they are not adaptable they would die few years ago.

I'm not trying to change your mind but I don't understand why you seem to have no compassion for these animals?

Again, you can't equate the needs of one species to that of another. So are you OK with animals being kept in less than ideal conditions because they can survive, that's just the way it is and we can? Just because an orca can adapt to surviving in a swimming pool we should try it? Just because we can do it doesn't mean we should. It's this mentality that creates a need for organizations such as PETA or the Humane Society. People just complacent with the way things are. We can control them and do what we wish with them because we are humans and they are not.. If we are going to keep these animals, we should try to give them the best quality of life possible and I don't see how that would be possible for an intelligent and unique creature such as an orca outside of their natural habitat.

You can go on about dogs, cats and rabbits etc, but I'm not getting into that. The OP was regarding orcas.

 

[jcardona1]

Just because we can do it doesn't mean we should.

That's exactly what it is. It's the selfish need to feel macho, smarter, faster, tougher, stronger, superior, better, etc etc and the desire to dominate all living things on this planet, cage them up and put up on display. That's why. Not because we need to, but because we can.

 

[probassfisher010]

That's exactly what it is. It's the selfish need to feel macho, smarter, faster, tougher, stronger, superior, better, etc etc and the desire to dominate all living things on this planet, cage them up and put up on display. That's why. Not because we need to, but because we can.

Exactly my point, which is why I don't understand how it's wrong to keep an orca to feel superior, yet it's ok to keep every pet that you deem of lesser intilligence. By disagreeing with one aspect, you must disagree with all the others, or else it's considered hypocracy. That's what we have been saying this whole time.

 

[jcardona1]

I don't understand

LOL That's been the problem this whole time. You don't get it, and never will. Yes, obviously the concept of keeping animals is the same. Everybody knows that. The issue is, that for you guys, ALL animals fit under your blanket understanding, and that is where you fail. I've said this repeatedly in the thread about the Ohio situation. Stop comparing the keeping of a wild animal to a domesticated pet. The idiocy of your logic is mind-numbing.

 

[probassfisher010]

What is your definition of a "domesticated pet" dogs, cats? Ever seen a cat that hasn't had human contact, or dogs that are left to their own devices? They go feral. They go back to pack mentality. They become wild. Watch the show "animal hoarders" if you dont believe me. My point is, you can't completely breed the wild out of an animal, including humans. Ever get the desire to just get away from everything, and be out in nature?

 

[Zoodiver]

This won't fly... animals don't get rights under the US Constitution. PETA is just kicking up dirt.


As for all the page upon page of comments about how they are 'mistreated animals' , anyone commenting actually have experience working with large marine mammals under human care? Or is this a bunch of side line opinions based on emotion and things the media feeds you?

People that want to free them all, or think they are mistreated are also generally the people who don't have any real information about captive care.

 

[probassfisher010]

This won't fly... animals don't get rights under the US Constitution. PETA is just kicking up dirt.


As for all the page upon page of comments about how they are 'mistreated animals' , anyone commenting actually have experience working with large marine mammals under human care? Or is this a bunch of side line opinions based on emotion and things the media feeds you?

People that want to free them all, or think they are mistreated are also generally the people who don't have any real information about captive care.

Im sure the animals are treated with the best possible care, and I'm sure you have plenty of experience that you can sharewith us..The reason I got involved in this thread is because the people who feel the animals are being mistreated dont realise that they are doing the same thing on a smaller scale with their pets/fish...

 

[Ash]

This won't fly... animals don't get rights under the US Constitution. PETA is just kicking up dirt.


As for all the page upon page of comments about how they are 'mistreated animals' , anyone commenting actually have experience working with large marine mammals under human care? Or is this a bunch of side line opinions based on emotion and things the media feeds you?

People that want to free them all, or think they are mistreated are also generally the people who don't have any real information about captive care.

This. What PETA says and the media portrays should be taken with a grain of salt, unless you have been "behind the scenes" and worked at one of these parks or with captive animals in a zoological setting I don't really know how you can be certain of your information about the care these animals receive.