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Once again, not all cultures of Orcas are migratory types. Even our pets and fish have psychological problems that's not present in wild animals....Limping dorsal fin doesn't mean it is miserable. Canids with droopy ears are not found in the wild, does that means they are miserable?

Noted that Orcas in capitivity were born in capitivity, still displaying their wild behavoir. If you think its cruelty to keep whales in the capitivity then I think it's cruel to release capitive-bred whales back in the wild or making the orcas do nothing all lives which is also cruelty.

Circus elephants are no different from working elephants and wild elephants that rampage all times.
 
davdev said:
Then why do captive whales display distinct psychological problems that are not present in wild animals. Ever seen a wild orca with a limp dorsal fin? No, but every captive one has it.

The two aren't even comparable. A wild Oscar in theory has the entire amazon at it's disposal, but in reality stays in the same 100 yard territory it's entire life. Orcas migrate across the globe. A more apt comparison would be keeping something like a Blue Shark, which I would also be against in most instances. But even that does not factor in the intelligence differences between the species. An intelligent animal knows that is captive, a fish doesn't. As long as the fish has room to swim and eat, it is fine. Orcas need way more than that.

Why do you think circus elephants rampage all the time, but circus goats do not? It is the intelligence.
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i dont' know man, 100 yards vs a 55 gallon is a pretty big difference

and i wouldn't say an oscar doesn't know it's in captivity. if an oscar was kept in a pool, i can see that, but in a 100 gallon tank, i'm pretty sure, as dumb as you guys say it is, i'm sure it's thinking that it's not in Kansas anymore, lol
 
davdev said:
Honestly, yes. Though I wouldn't say 55 is good because it doesn't meet the basic physical requirement the animal needs to even move around.
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Yet the whales in capitivity met their physical requirements and even show off their agility which is reflected to the wild orcas' behavoir..
 
TheTankMates said:
So your belief of lack of intelligence etc. devalues the oscar and we can now justifiably abuse them? I agree with the use of Whales to profit is crap. But you cant just cut it off with your qualifications of a worthy animal to protect.
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I wouldn't put it that way, but YES. I absolutely believe intelligence has a lot to do with it and should be a determining factor, for the reasons Davdev has already mentioned. Why is that that we make a huge deal when somebody murders a litter of puppies but I can take some bug spray and wipe out a colony of thousands of ants, and nobody will give a crap?
 
MN_Rebel said:
Yet the whales in capitivity met their physical requirements
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Physical requirements? What, to be kept in water and fed daily? As long as the animals basic survival requirements are met, we can do whatever we like to them?
 
By saying a fish doesn't know its in captivity would most likely mean no altered behavior in the species and I am pretty sure oscars in 55s etc act differently than they do in the wild the aggressive disposition of cichlids in captivity is proof something is wrong the fact females will lay eggs by themselves and protect them is altered behavior the fact of 2 females laying eggs and acting out spawning is altered behavior. THere are many fish that hang out together in the wild with each other yet kill each other in aquariums etc etc etc all altered behavior due to the stress of confinement. Sounds similar to me
 
i will have no problem killing puppies the day they swarm out of ground by the thousands and climb my leg all biting me.
 
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