god im jealous of that collection how big is that tanks and can it fit all those plecos comfortably when they are all full grown...
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You'll have to forgive me if I'm coming across as a prick. I just quit smoking 8 days ago, after smoking a pack a day for nearly 10 years. I'm a little tempermental.
Dude, dont worry; I dont find you the least bit jerkish. Youre just arguing the point of view that you are entitled to, and Im arguing mine. In fact, I actually prefer this sort of exchange not only does it go more into depth about the topics covered, but it also allows other forum regulars to view and gain a broader understanding of the info presented. Congrats on the smoking, man. You made the right choice.
Wow. You still think their over crowded in a 125 gal. tank. My water parameters are perfect. Now the only reason it looks crowded is because all the plecos hang out on one side of the tank. Feed there ect. If you go off the rule of 1 gal per inch. I'm well within my limits. If you really want to get technical about it.
The one inch per gallon rule is perhaps THE most faulty decree of the hobby. A ten inch oscar in a ten gallon tank? Cmon man. Seriously. Furthermore, no one has perfect water quality. You could not possibly believe that unless youve yet to test it. And given the inherent cloudiness of your water, and the filtration that you say you possess in said tank (which rules out unadorned sediment), I can only assume it derives itself from nitrogenous nutrient imbalance, a direct result of overstocking.
Putting a fish in a tank period is crowding it. So I ask you is it really just a matter of opinion.
Yes, and my opinion is that your tank is crowded, while you may not. Thats the opinionated baseline and IMO, thats the beauty of the forum experience; unabridged expression of thought. If youre keeping fish in a tank size and/or environment that keeps it from attaining maximum growth, that, to me, is overcrowding. And there is no way your two nigrolineatus will reach 18, nor will your L-128/200s reach 10 in that setup.
Dude, dont worry; I dont find you the least bit jerkish. Youre just arguing the point of view that you are entitled to, and Im arguing mine. In fact, I actually prefer this sort of exchange not only does it go more into depth about the topics covered, but it also allows other forum regulars to view and gain a broader understanding of the info presented. Congrats on the smoking, man. You made the right choice.
Wow. You still think their over crowded in a 125 gal. tank. My water parameters are perfect. Now the only reason it looks crowded is because all the plecos hang out on one side of the tank. Feed there ect. If you go off the rule of 1 gal per inch. I'm well within my limits. If you really want to get technical about it.
The one inch per gallon rule is perhaps THE most faulty decree of the hobby. A ten inch oscar in a ten gallon tank? Cmon man. Seriously. Furthermore, no one has perfect water quality. You could not possibly believe that unless youve yet to test it. And given the inherent cloudiness of your water, and the filtration that you say you possess in said tank (which rules out unadorned sediment), I can only assume it derives itself from nitrogenous nutrient imbalance, a direct result of overstocking.
Putting a fish in a tank period is crowding it. So I ask you is it really just a matter of opinion.
Yes, and my opinion is that your tank is crowded, while you may not. Thats the opinionated baseline and IMO, thats the beauty of the forum experience; unabridged expression of thought. If youre keeping fish in a tank size and/or environment that keeps it from attaining maximum growth, that, to me, is overcrowding. And there is no way your two nigrolineatus will reach 18, nor will your L-128/200s reach 10 in that setup.
“The two largest fish in the tank are one of my royals, and the big pseudo. Their is plenty of swimming space their not swimming back and forth bashing into each other. Simply because their is not that many in there, and their all mostly 6" and smaller. I'm sure you probably have been doing this alot longer than I, considering I've only been doing it for about 5 years. You also have to realize that I've only started into breeding plecos.”
Yes, if that is the case, then I have been tending to loricariidae a good lot longer than you. But I digress; that many small fish adds up quickly. When I kept one LONE L-27 (true type locality—window and all) in a 125, I had to change the water twice a week to ensure that nitrates stayed within 20, and given that my tap comes out at unreadable levels, I can only assume it was all from the panaque. I let him go to a fellow plecofanatic after I decided that I wasn’t ready for that kind of commitment—and this was just a single 12” specimen. Now imagine triple that, plus another 10+ smaller plecos. I thusly still have my doubts about your measurements.
By the by, loricariidae spawn just prior to the rainy season, when amines/’trates are at their highest. Clean water quality is generally NOT what triggers the spawn in the wilderness, but rather barometric drops, etc. Therefore, a low fry morality rate is a better indication of water quality than spawns. All my fish actually spawn (L-270, L-66, L-316, corydoras, aspidoras, and the rasboras notwithstanding, but they do it, too) 2-3 weeks into the water change cycle, and regularly, too, so I know that water quality can’t be it.
“Why is it that every time someone post pictures of their fish, and their is a group of fish in the shot. Suddenly "THAT TANK IS CROWDED" It really gets annoying having to explain yourself every time you post pictures. So if you want to bash on me for my inexperience go right ahead.”
If I were bashing you, believe me, I’d do it in a much less courteous tone. I’m merely expressing how I feel about your tank setup, which is why forums, as previously stated, are erected. I would not have commented on your post had you not stated that your tank was not crowed, even though it might look as such.
“I can handle it might even learn something from it. Just doesn't make any sense how someone can say a 6 foot long ,28 inch deep, and 30 inch tall tank is too small for these little plecos.”
Your fish are hardly “little”; in fact, almost all your fish, save maybe the hypancistrus, have the capability of reaching, at the minimum, 8”, and at the maximum, 20+”. Unless you plan to upgrade to a 2000 gallon aquarium soon, many of these fish will in fact stunt.
Yes, if that is the case, then I have been tending to loricariidae a good lot longer than you. But I digress; that many small fish adds up quickly. When I kept one LONE L-27 (true type locality—window and all) in a 125, I had to change the water twice a week to ensure that nitrates stayed within 20, and given that my tap comes out at unreadable levels, I can only assume it was all from the panaque. I let him go to a fellow plecofanatic after I decided that I wasn’t ready for that kind of commitment—and this was just a single 12” specimen. Now imagine triple that, plus another 10+ smaller plecos. I thusly still have my doubts about your measurements.
By the by, loricariidae spawn just prior to the rainy season, when amines/’trates are at their highest. Clean water quality is generally NOT what triggers the spawn in the wilderness, but rather barometric drops, etc. Therefore, a low fry morality rate is a better indication of water quality than spawns. All my fish actually spawn (L-270, L-66, L-316, corydoras, aspidoras, and the rasboras notwithstanding, but they do it, too) 2-3 weeks into the water change cycle, and regularly, too, so I know that water quality can’t be it.
“Why is it that every time someone post pictures of their fish, and their is a group of fish in the shot. Suddenly "THAT TANK IS CROWDED" It really gets annoying having to explain yourself every time you post pictures. So if you want to bash on me for my inexperience go right ahead.”
If I were bashing you, believe me, I’d do it in a much less courteous tone. I’m merely expressing how I feel about your tank setup, which is why forums, as previously stated, are erected. I would not have commented on your post had you not stated that your tank was not crowed, even though it might look as such.
“I can handle it might even learn something from it. Just doesn't make any sense how someone can say a 6 foot long ,28 inch deep, and 30 inch tall tank is too small for these little plecos.”
Your fish are hardly “little”; in fact, almost all your fish, save maybe the hypancistrus, have the capability of reaching, at the minimum, 8”, and at the maximum, 20+”. Unless you plan to upgrade to a 2000 gallon aquarium soon, many of these fish will in fact stunt.
somethinsfishy said:
125=72x18x22
COL;630684; said:
These fish should be split up eventually, but will do fine in a 180 for life. Few royals ever reach the 18" mark, maybe 10% make it to the 12" mark for that matter.
A. adonis/hystrix are large, large fish, not to mention highly territorial during the declining years of their respective lives. One of the club members here runs a personal facility with a huge tank housing a single hystrix, whom he claims cannot be tanked up with any other large loricariidae, due to its nasty disposition. Likewise, the reason tank raised royals rarely make it to 12"+just attests to the assertion that they are not being sufficiently housed nor cared for in proper fashion. Again, this is largely speculative and just my opinion, but it stands firm. Also, you should note that full grown wild adult stock are rarely found UNDER 12" SL, or about 15".
Nice looking plecos the arabesque is always a favourite. You must have some amazing filtration to have no nitrates, I've always some in my pleco tanks. I like the tank you've done, and how things are going, but i know you want to breed as many of those fish as possible and i reckon splitting them up into more manageable groups would make it easier to observe and accomplish your goal.
Great pleco collection, don't let the "overcrowded" naysayers get to you...I love a tank with fish in it not water...going beyond the golden rule of 1" per ? just requires greater filteration, good water movement and more frequent water changes. keep posting pics...!
On another note: You may have mentioned it before, however what do you use to secure the vegatables in your kabobs?
On another note: You may have mentioned it before, however what do you use to secure the vegatables in your kabobs?
You have an awesome assortment of fish, but that is alot of waste to deal with in your tank. It does sound like you have everything under control. I know I would love to have a tank like that to watch for hours!
That said it would be nice to see some more "natural" decoration. You can still have plenty of hiding places while using driftwood and some rocks. It would be much more pleasing to look at and i'm sure your fish will appreciate it.
p.s. It might be wise to follow the advice of COL. The dude knows Loricariidae and I personally would trust any advice on the subject.
That said it would be nice to see some more "natural" decoration. You can still have plenty of hiding places while using driftwood and some rocks. It would be much more pleasing to look at and i'm sure your fish will appreciate it.
p.s. It might be wise to follow the advice of COL. The dude knows Loricariidae and I personally would trust any advice on the subject.
