PIC of BABY ALLIGATOR GAR

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svang55;1672551; said:
In socal, 3" gator gar is not totally unusual. In socal, I've come to learn that nothing is unusual,............ illegal or not,............ just making a statement. That's just how it is down here,............ There's some kind of gar in every other store. Every 2-3 stores you find will have red belly pirhanas,............ anyways, i've said too much already,.........
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i don't doubt that there are small gars, out there, i just doubt they are actually 3"...i have to judge fish sizes for part of my job, and truth is most people will very often underestimate the length of a very young gar than overestimate, and then tend to overestimate once the fish gets bigger. even the very tiny Cubans we got last fall were about 4" long, but slimmer than a pencil.

it's definitely not impossible, and since you guys are on major ports to overseas, it's possible they get them in to places smaller there, and then by the time they get to us in the midwest they are larger...but if you do get the chance to take a picture, please post it as i'd like to see the 3" gator. although, if you've waited even a week, the fish is likely already 4"+

furthermore, this is dealing with US gars, gars overseas seem to show up much smaller.--
--solomon
 
E_americanus;1672611; said:
i don't doubt that there are small gars, out there, i just doubt they are actually 3"...i have to judge fish sizes for part of my job, and truth is most people will very often underestimate the length of a very young gar than overestimate, and then tend to overestimate once the fish gets bigger. even the very tiny Cubans we got last fall were about 4" long, but slimmer than a pencil.

it's definitely not impossible, and since you guys are on major ports to overseas, it's possible they get them in to places smaller there, and then by the time they get to us in the midwest they are larger...but if you do get the chance to take a picture, please post it as i'd like to see the 3" gator. although, if you've waited even a week, the fish is likely already 4"+

furthermore, this is dealing with US gars, gars overseas seem to show up much smaller.--
--solomon
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:iagree:

my buddy is heading out there this saturday so he'll take a pic and send to me so I'll be able to post it. Hopefully it didn't grow much because I do want everyone to see it.

Did I add that I remember the head being about 1/3 the length of the body?? And my spotted/florida's head was 1/4 the lenth of it's body.
 
svang55;1672647; said:
:iagree:

my buddy is heading out there this saturday so he'll take a pic and send to me so I'll be able to post it. Hopefully it didn't grow much because I do want everyone to see it.

Did I add that I remember the head being about 1/3 the length of the body?? And my spotted/florida's head was 1/4 the lenth of it's body.
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i guess we can wait until we see pics for sure, but the only gar that comes close to having a head 1/3 the length of the body at that size would be a longnose gar, and those of course look very different from gators.

in ID'ing a gator from the others, i would use the very short snout (therefore less proportion of the whole body) and broad snout as diagnostics. it's sounding more and more like these are juvenile shortnose or just displaying the highly variable pattern of Florida/spotted gars--
--solomon
 
E_americanus;1672757; said:
i guess we can wait until we see pics for sure, but the only gar that comes close to having a head 1/3 the length of the body at that size would be a longnose gar, and those of course look very different from gators.

in ID'ing a gator from the others, i would use the very short snout (therefore less proportion of the whole body) and broad snout as diagnostics. it's sounding more and more like these are juvenile shortnose or just displaying the highly variable pattern of Florida/spotted gars--
--solomon
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Like said before, if it were a gator, you would most likely know right away even from looking at pictures of gator gar that are 7"+. Florida and Shortnose look different when they are juvenile than when they are like 10" or so. So it could be those as well as Solomon said. With all that has been said thus far, I too believe a picture is your only hope in getting help here with IDing it. If it is a gator, it could have likely grown a bit since you saw it but not much.
 
yea, i'm gonna put up the pic as soon as I get it,............ will up date you guys. thanks for everyone's input, i learned a lot just by this thread,............
 
i'm starting to think it's a possible longnose as well. they have very short noses at this small of a size and i tend to see more small longnoses than any other gar species in the hobby.
 
demjor19;1673011; said:
i'm starting to think it's a possible longnose as well. they have very short noses at this small of a size and i tend to see more small longnoses than any other gar species in the hobby.
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man, you all got me thinking about this all week. It's head looks like the head of the one in the pic you provided.

we'll see when i get that pic
 
svang55;1673023; said:
man, you all got me thinking about this all week. It's head looks like the head of the one in the pic you provided.

we'll see when i get that pic
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then it could very well be a gator gar...that's a pretty unmistakeable head. :D
 
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