Pictus catfish

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Has anyone have experience with them? I know theyre social fish so im wondering how many i should get for my 40 gallon. I was thinking 6 or 7.
Also theyres a lot of debate on the max size? Ive seen people say no longer than 5 inches but others say up to 10 inches
 
Don’t see any over 5in. Had mine up to 4in and that was it.
 
I'm not expert..but 6 and 7 to many..3 tops..i have 2..they battle for territory..but dont hurt each other..i notice they dont eat consistently..i have a 4 in and 3 1/2 in..never seen bigger than 5 in..they also hardest catfish to take picture of..i have them in a 120 gallon..pic suck..too fast to get them to stay still20180206_160808.jpg 20180206_160624.jpg 20180206_160545.jpg 20180206_160504.jpg
 
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When my 8 were in quarantine they huddled up (90 gallon, 3 months) after I dropped them into the 450 they scattered and staked out individual territories. I just inherited 2 more
 
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Has anyone have experience with them? I know theyre social fish so im wondering how many i should get for my 40 gallon. I was thinking 6 or 7.
Also theyres a lot of debate on the max size? Ive seen people say no longer than 5 inches but others say up to 10 inches

You could try various search engines, including the MFK one. They are a very common fish and a lot has been reported on them. They are gregarious but there is still a dominance hierarchy within any group, which is established and enforced. 6-7 in 40 gallon doesn't sound too bad to me when they are small but when adults, they may be a bit cramped.

There'd be no debate on their size if there was no confusion with respect to their name. Pimelodus pictus and Pimelodus blochii are different fish. Since many people prefer to use only common names, they pick up the names from the LFSs, which label P. blochii, a fish that grows to 1', a striped pictus catfish, I guess to distinguish from the spotted pictus catfish aka angelica or polka-dot cafish or P. pictus. A regrettable and confusing name, IMHO.

I'm not expert..but 6 and 7 to many..3 tops..i have 2..they battle for territory..but dont hurt each other..i notice they dont eat consistently..i have a 4 in and 3 1/2 in...

Two-three are good numbers for fish that are indifferent to their kin. In any social group, animals establish a pecking order. In a large group, the aggression of the top animal or animals is diluted because there are many on the receiving end. In a small group, the top animal(s) let the few unfortunate ones have it constantly. That would also explain inconsistent eating. Too much stress for both dominant pictus and 10x-100x more so for the submissive / challenger pictus.

When my 8 were in quarantine they huddled up (90 gallon, 3 months) after I dropped them into the 450 they scattered and staked out individual territories. I just inherited 2 more

I remember your case. It always struck me as hard to understand. Perhaps can be written off as a strange exception but I think that your housing is also exceptionally large. Two exceptions are unlikely to be a mere coincidence. So there probably could be a connection.

I have 27 pictus in one 240 gal tank and 6 in another. They keep together.
 
You could try various search engines, including the MFK one. They are a very common fish and a lot has been reported on them. They are gregarious but there is still a dominance hierarchy within any group, which is established and enforced. 6-7 in 40 gallon doesn't sound too bad to me when they are small but when adults, they may be a bit cramped.

There'd be no debate on their size if there was no confusion with respect to their name. Pimelodus pictus and Pimelodus blochii are different fish. Since many people prefer to use only common names, they pick up the names from the LFSs, which label P. blochii, a fish that grows to 1', a striped pictus catfish, I guess to distinguish from the spotted pictus catfish aka angelica or polka-dot cafish or P. pictus. A regrettable and confusing name, IMHO.



Two-three are good numbers for fish that are indifferent to their kin. In any social group, animals establish a pecking order. In a large group, the aggression of the top animal or animals is diluted because there are many on the receiving end. In a small group, the top animal(s) let the few unfortunate ones have it constantly. That would also explain inconsistent eating. Too much stress for both dominant pictus and 10x-100x more so for the submissive / challenger pictus.



I remember your case. It always struck me as hard to understand. Perhaps can be written off as a strange exception but I think that your housing is also exceptionally large. Two exceptions are unlikely to be a mere coincidence. So there probably could be a connection.

I have 27 pictus in one 240 gal tank and 6 in another. They keep together.

It may very well be that my tank is very heavily scaped so there is a plethora of hiding places

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Two-three are good numbers for fish that are indifferent to their kin. In any social group, animals establish a pecking order. In a large group, the aggression of the top animal or animals is diluted because there are many on the receiving end. In a small group, the top animal(s) let the few unfortunate ones have it constantly. That would also explain inconsistent eating. Too much stress for both dominant pictus and 10x-100x more so for the submissive / challenger pictus.

I have two redtail catfish right now and theyre about a foot in length. The smaller one bullies the other, is there anything i could do that isnt moving them to different tanks or getting more?
 
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I have two redtail catfish right now and theyre about a foot in length. The smaller one bullies the other, is there anything i could do that isnt moving them to different tanks or getting more?
The smaller bullying the bigger is unusual but can happen too. In any case, this is common with RTCs in smaller tanks. RTCs are more fierce at 2"-6" in that department and after that it largely subsides but doesn't go away completely; still, it becomes rather tolerable for the fish involved. Getting more would help but it is a housing issue. I have ten 2' to 3.5' RTCs in 4500 gal and they will need an upgrade. There is a definite pecking order in the group albeit 99% of the time it is enforced rather mildly. Moreover, there are other fish in the tank, notably two 3.5' jau catfish that dominate the tank, disrupting the RTC hierarchy.

Sorry. Long story short, I guess in 75% of cases two RTCs can cohab together rather adequately with respect to their health. In some cases, the bullying of the dominant one make take too much toll on the other.
 
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