Well even with pirahana being legal out here in Oregon, with the economy taking a dive, all the dang independently owned LFS are going belly up. It seems the only ones survining are the chain stores we all know about. I have been buying one inch batches of 12 from Aquascape. A dang good source I know. But alas, I finally found a semi local LFS to get all the reds,blacks and the occasional piraya. It is an hour drive from my house, but worth it at 10 bucks for a 1" red or 8 bucks each if you buy five or more. They say they have up to 8" reds for like $40. I am going up there again on Tuesday. Oh, btw im in Salem Oregon and the fish store called Rose City Aquarium is in Portland Oregon. I have located a few other reds in Eugene, but they have very few to choose from and are like 20 bucks for a 1". anybody else out there know of any suppliers or LFS in Oregon?