There is no aregument that people percieve pirahnas as blood thirsty killers. My argument is that the best way to change that perception is not through hiding the pirahna. It is through educating people about the truth about them. How are you going to teach someone about an animal they know nothing about by hiding that animals behavior. Its insane to think that your methods would work, and as insane to think that if you were to bring more poeople who agree with them that would make them any better. The truth is you cannot change someones mind about anything by hiding the truth.
Piranha Live Feeding Ethics Thread.
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nobody is hiding anything, if you were to purchase some piranhas, putting you in a position where people might actually listen to you, you would realize that they are actually extremely skittish and run from pretty much anything that they see.
we have spent a long time trying to create a realistic view of piranhas, but it doesn't work very well when people like you that have no idea about these fish spit erroneous information that helps to perpetuate the myth
we have spent a long time trying to create a realistic view of piranhas, but it doesn't work very well when people like you that have no idea about these fish spit erroneous information that helps to perpetuate the myth
no offense Hduece, but you are in over your head... you are involved in a debate in which are are extremely misinformed... your ideas are ridiculous and laughable at best, your thoughts on piranhas seem to be based upon the very ideas that serious keepers are trying to eliminate, i would suggest you do a little bit of research and move on from there
here are three erroneous statements for starters....
(1)I think that it is fine to feed any fish any species of fish,r eptile bird or mammal. The key is that it should be mature and healthy enough to handle itself, Meaning if you want to feed a piranha a cat, put a full grown living cat in the tank if the piranha can take it down before it gets out the piranha deserves it. The key is that if it gets out then you cant put it back in. And if the animal is injured in the process and escapes you should be fined or even put in jail for cruelty to animals. As far as im concerned it is never cruel to feed one animal another animal, it is however cruel to both animals if you feed them something they cant handle. And a baby animal should be treated with the same respect as a baby human , they should have every chance to reach adulthood.
(2)My point is that any person with any intelligence at all should regard the videos as a filming of a natural feeding for a dangerous animal
Im not arguing about pirahna behavior im arguing about the fact that you are taking the same viewpoint as the idiots in congress who ban the animals because they scare people. "The videos make these animals look vicious" . The fact is that the animals can be and should be regarded as though they are, and if everyone regarded dangerous animals as dangerous animals there would be no problems with them and therefore no ban on them. The truth of the matter is that trying to hide the true nature of a dangerous animal does more to keep them banned. The best way to show the world that dangerous animals can be kept safely is to educate the world on how dangerous that animal is and how it should be kept safely . You arent helping your cause by expecting people to hide the fact that a pirahna eats live food and has teeth.
(3)You still arent getting it. The problem people have with pirahnas has nothing to do with aggression. People have problems with pirahnas because they have a mouth full of teeth and they look scary.
If you really believe that videotaping a live feeding is what made them pass legislation on the legality of pirahna keeping, or that its what keeps it illegal, then you are the one with the rediculous view on this subject.
(1)I think that it is fine to feed any fish any species of fish,r eptile bird or mammal. The key is that it should be mature and healthy enough to handle itself, Meaning if you want to feed a piranha a cat, put a full grown living cat in the tank if the piranha can take it down before it gets out the piranha deserves it. The key is that if it gets out then you cant put it back in. And if the animal is injured in the process and escapes you should be fined or even put in jail for cruelty to animals. As far as im concerned it is never cruel to feed one animal another animal, it is however cruel to both animals if you feed them something they cant handle. And a baby animal should be treated with the same respect as a baby human , they should have every chance to reach adulthood.
(2)My point is that any person with any intelligence at all should regard the videos as a filming of a natural feeding for a dangerous animal
Im not arguing about pirahna behavior im arguing about the fact that you are taking the same viewpoint as the idiots in congress who ban the animals because they scare people. "The videos make these animals look vicious" . The fact is that the animals can be and should be regarded as though they are, and if everyone regarded dangerous animals as dangerous animals there would be no problems with them and therefore no ban on them. The truth of the matter is that trying to hide the true nature of a dangerous animal does more to keep them banned. The best way to show the world that dangerous animals can be kept safely is to educate the world on how dangerous that animal is and how it should be kept safely . You arent helping your cause by expecting people to hide the fact that a pirahna eats live food and has teeth.
(3)You still arent getting it. The problem people have with pirahnas has nothing to do with aggression. People have problems with pirahnas because they have a mouth full of teeth and they look scary.
If you really believe that videotaping a live feeding is what made them pass legislation on the legality of pirahna keeping, or that its what keeps it illegal, then you are the one with the rediculous view on this subject.
I don't think it's a question of hiding the truth versus education that was the original intent. Yes, piranha shoals take down live animals in the wild, stripping a carcass in minutes. Everyone has seen that. Yes, a lot of material on them has been sensationalized by the media and spoonfed to a bunch of mindless sheep. These are not the points. If someone wants to keep piranha, or any other potentially dangerous animal, they should be allowed to, as long as no harm is caused. I personally don't like the videos. I understand that it is nature at it's most savage. But prey in the wild has a chance to escape, or possibly fight back, not tossed into a confined space. More harm has been done by uneducated keepers than any legislation. Most are bought, filmed, and released by people without any knowledge of the actual care involved. They just think it's cool to have an animal that rips others apart. When that novelty wears off or they get tired of them hiding all the time, they are dumped into water ways. If you are only interested in animals tearing each other apart, buy National Geographic dvd's.
You are wrong joe, Im not in over my head and my thoughts on pirahnas havent even entered into this argument. The truth is you agreed with the only statements i made on pirahna behavior. You are arguing with me on the way in which to go about changin peoples perceptions of them. The truth is that all you have don through this entire argument is tell me that i cant possibly be right because i dont own a pirahna. You havent made one relevant point yet actually resorting to telling me "I have more fish than you" and " ive been studying fish longer" and " My friends would agree with me" But as far as i can see they are just juvenile retorts because you dont have anything relevant to say.
Anyway this discussion did start as a debate on the ethics of live feeding of pirahnas , but quickly evolved into a debate on whether or not the public should be educated on a pirahnas behaviour , its unfortunate that someone who owns pirahnas feels that their true nature shouldnt be shown to the public because as ive said before i feel like that is why people are afraid of pirahnas.
are you kidding me? this whole discussion was started about the ethics of live feeding videos, you proceeded to make the point that no matter what happens, people will have a negative view of piranhas because they "have a mouth full of sharp teeth and they look scary", i then informed you that your viewpoint is the exact perception that we are trying to change.Hdeuce;2006753; said:
i have brought up many points and explained why serious hobbyists frown upon such videos, and now you are saying that i haven't brought up one relevent point? you admitted that you have never owned a piranha, i think that is a pretty valid point to bring up when someone as uneducated as yourself tries to argue the behavior of a fish with someone that has many years of experience with them.
