Please help my sick arowana

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I am desperately in need of help. My dad likes to buy tropical fish, but he won't invest the time to learn how to take care of them. He's killed several tankfuls of fish already, all through improper feeding, over crowding and hypothermia. He's not someone who learns from his mistakes, and he's so stubborn that he never listens to the most rudimentary advice. I'm just so f-ing tired of watching him screw everything up. He's out of the country right now and I really can't stand watching the fish suffer needlessly, so I'd like to do as much as I can before he gets back.

I'm here to beg for your advice on how best to take care of the fish. I will spend my own money to get the necessary equipment, and I will spend what little time I have to read up on proper caring of tropical fish. If you can take 5 minutes to help me identify the fish in my aquarium and impart advice on how to care for the sick arowana, I would so very appreciate it. I may not be able to give anything back to the forum for a while until I learn more about this field, but please help me make it easier for the sake of the fish, they really deserve better than this.

1) One of the Arowanas is really sick. He keeps rubbing his mouth against one side of the tank non-stop 24/7 and it's been going on for days. He does NOT eat at all and just constantly swims in one direction against the tank, rubbing his mouth against it until all the skin is gone. I've been unable to find out what disease it is that's causing it. The only other symptom is that the fins look unhealthy, weak and damaged, and there's a huge chunk missing near the end of the tail (red circle around it in photo). The gills look fine, the scales look healthy, there are no white spots or signs of cotton mouth. I have no idea what's causing it, maybe the other arowana is picking on it or it's an early stage infection? I just bought a 10 gallon tank to quarantine it until I can get another tank tomorrow. What can I do to diagnose it or treat it? Please everyone, I need to know ASAP if I'm going to have any chance of saving this arowana. If you have any advice on quarantining or treating it, please be very detailed and thorough, I'm not stupid but I know nothing about keeping an aquarium. Keep in mind that my dad RARELY changed the water, RARELY cleaned the filters, did NOT feed the arowana proper food (mostly pellets), and kept TWO of them in a filthy 30 gallon tank along with 7 other fish. My guess is ICH but there are no white spot yet, and it's only his mouth (unlikely spot for ICH) that's itchy. Furthermore he only rubs against one side of the aquarium.

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2) I really want to know the name of each of the fish in the photograph below. It would really help in googling on how to take care of them. It took me almost an hour to identify the arowana on my own so any shortcuts would be nice.

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Misc advice:
We currently have 9 tropical fish in a 30 gallon tank. It's horribly over crowded. My dad also realized AFTER buying the big black fish to the side that it's highly aggressive and attacks other fish so his solution is to fence the fish in a space narrower than the fish's length. What is the best way to divide up the fish? What sized tanks should I use to hold them? What else can I do to improve their living conditions? Should I give these fish back to the pet store before my dad gets back? What would you do if you were bequeathed with this miserable aquarium?

I don't think I have the capabilities of taking care of two arowanas right now. Two is a really bad number for them, and there's no space for a proper sized 6 feet aquarium. The biggest I can find in my neighborhood is a 4 foot 55 gallon one.

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Again, I want to thank everyone who took the time to read this and respond in any way. I know I have no right to just barge in here and demand help on my first post but I'm so desperate to find a cure. I hope you understand.
 
I think they are as follows:

Arowana
Angelfish .. Parrot Cichlid
Tiger Oscar .. Pearl Gourami

Hopefully someone else can chime in on this one as well.
 
mfkid;3376678; said:
I think they are as follows:
Arowana
Angelfish .. Parrot Cichlid
Tiger Oscar .. Pearl Gourami
Hopefully someone else can chime in on this one as well.

I think you might have gone 5 for 5. I can't find an angelfish of the same color but they have the same physical shape in the photos. Thanks so much for your expertise!
 
Wow, okay. First fish is an Angelfish (after the aro), second is a Parrot Cichlid, third is an Oscar, fourth is a lace gourami. The angel and lace are okay in a 30g. First clean the filters and then do a 50% water change. Then, take the Parrot and one of the Aros back to the store. You can keep the oscar and the other aro in the 55g if you can get it but ONLY TEMP!!! One Oscar can live in a 55g ALONE ONLY. These fish need huge tanks so if there is no way of getting at the very least a 150g soon then youre better off taking them all back.
 
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The angel fish is probably a koi angel fish and the arowana is a silver arowana... first thing most important is to test your water ...purchase a test kit... second thing i would do is a major water change..at least 50%.. how are the tank mates of the sick arow.. are they all okay? are they eating good??? was the arow eating good at one time..? are the other arows eating... what size is the tank.are you saying all of these fish are in a 30gal tank??. how big are the arows and other fish... you will need to answer alot of questions so we can zero in on what needs to be done...my advise is to give all the fish back to pet store... i just reread all of the sentences and i see that it will require alot of money ..and some very large tanks to make a difference in these fish..and i praise you for your effort and heart but it needs to be done right away..maybe you can get dad to join MFK and try to understand what fishkeeping entails... theres alot more to it then throwing a bunch of fish in a tank...
 
Red Devil;3376716; said:
first thing most important is to test your water ...purchase a test kit...

Will do first in the morning. Is there a specific one you recommend? Am I just testing for pH or also the water hardness, etc? Please be specific about this, there are probably lots of test kits at the store.

Red Devil;3376716; said:
second thing i would do is a major water change..at least 50%..

Done already. The sick silver arowana is quarantined in a 10 gallon tank temporarily until I can find a bigger one. I also want to separate the two arowanas because they don't get along.

Red Devil;3376716; said:
how are the tank mates of the sick arow.. are they all okay? are they eating good??? was the arow eating good at one time..? are the other arows eating...

The mates are all doing well despite the screwed up conditions. I honestly don't know the history of these fish, I'm not home much and I don't really pay attention to my dad. He's probably had these fish for quite some time after the last batch died over the winter because he was too cheap to buy a water heater. (I warned him multiple times)

Red Devil;3376716; said:
are you saying all of these fish are in a 30gal tank??.

Yes, all 9 of these fish are in a 30 gallon tank. My dad's not winning any PETA awards anytime soon.

Red Devil;3376716; said:
how big are the arows and other fish...

The two arows are 10 inches long. I'm guessing one is bullying the other. My dad bought 2 of them. I'm surprised the shop owner didn't warn him 2 was an awful number.

Red Devil;3376716; said:
my advise is to give all the fish back to pet store...

I don't even know which store it came from. I'm trying to find someone to give it to but I don't have any friends who are into this sort of stuff. I think my best bet might be to take up this hobby myself.

Red Devil;3376716; said:
i just reread all of the sentences and i see that it will require alot of money ..and some very large tanks to make a difference in these fish..

I figured as much. How big of a tank? I was thinking probably at least three 6 feet tanks. These fish can't coexist in a large tank.

Red Devil;3376716; said:
maybe you can get dad to join MFK and try to understand what fishkeeping entails...theres alot more to it then throwing a bunch of fish in a tank...

No, you guys would ban him. He thinks fish are kept on this earth for his enjoyment, and sacrifices are to be made for his enjoyment. I wish there was some way to get him barred from fish stores. He's not a bad guy, just seriously misguided in a lot of stuff.

Anyway thank you Red Devil, I appreciate the help. I'll get on the test kit as soon as I hear back on which one to get.
 
http://www.aquariumpharm.com/Products/Product.aspx?ProductID=69 this is the link to API liquid test kit... that would be soooooooo great if you could adopt them and provide for them and have your own set ups at your own place... i sure hope that this is a possibility... you definitly sound like you have all the makings of a wonderful dedicated fishkeeper... and please keep us posted... i hope the silver gets better.. also you can add some aquarium salt to the tank according to the directions on the box .... per amount per gallon.. to reduce the stress the fish have been going through... and may help the sick arow fight that infection/ick or what ever it is to cause it to be itchy... it cannot hurt anyway.. also garlic oil is another one {according to directions} to enhance appetite and also reduce illness... hope all goes well.. i wish you the very best..
 
bdevilcasey;3376706; said:
The angel and lace are okay in a 30g. First clean the filters and then do a 50% water change. Then, take the Parrot and one of the Aros back to the store. You can keep the oscar and the other aro in the 55g if you can get it but ONLY TEMP!!! One Oscar can live in a 55g ALONE ONLY. These fish need huge tanks so if there is no way of getting at the very least a 150g soon then youre better off taking them all back.

Already cleaned the filter and changed the water. I'm debating taking it to a random store right now (don't know where the fish came from) or buying a 150g tank. I'm honestly not sure I'm ready for this sort of responsibility, and I move around a lot. Do you think one 30g tank and one 150g tank can hold all these fish? There are 2 angels, 1 lace, 3 parrots, 1 oscar, and 2 aros total. If so, how would I divide them? If not, which ones should I give away if I were to get these two tanks?

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You're my hero <3
That is truly amazing what you are doing.

And I apologize if someone already said this, but you asked about the certain coloring of the angelfish, it's a Koi Angelfish.
 
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