Polypterus "sp. Koliba" dies horrible death

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Miles;1967325; said:
The blood streaks or red hemoraging is usually from water quality.. (ammonia, nitrite)

Could also do with osmosis.. pre-existing hardness vs. newly acclimated hardness?


There is 0 ammonia and nitrites and imo the tank is overfiltered. It wasn't a water quality issue unless you consider the fact he lived his life in the wild until 15", suddenly being put into aquarium water definitely is a complete change for him. All the other WC bichirs are thriving though. I'm not familar with osmosis...should I be looking into it?
 
well with Osmosis if fish are acclimated to a certain amount of solids in the water, and then are suddenly placed into a new environment with a drastic change in solids, it puts pressure on their osmosis system.

Things like aquarium salt will add solids to the water, and give a boost in electrolytes by flooding the osmosis system with solids..

however, fish that do not enjoy lots of solids in their water will be put under a large amount of pressure and can eventually die from it..

larger fish are more greatly effected.. some species depending on collection locality may differ from others.. some 'rare' species might be 'rare' because they have a high DOA rate from improper acclimation and lack of osmosis understanding..

When I imported soft-water fish from Peru, i saw this red blood streak issue alot.. I always thought it was ammonia damage from shipping, which can cause long lasting effects.. such as Hyperplasia, which will permanently damage the gills and make osmoregulation very difficult.. etc..

So basically I found out through talking to other importers about acclimation is that an increase in solid will put pressure on the osmosis system over a long period of time and eventually they will get those bloody red streaks, gasp for air, and die..

I had some healthy blue canero 'whale' catfish.. they need cooler water and high o2.. they were great in the import tank for a long time, then I put one in a community tank with 5 degrees warmer water, resulting in less o2, and it was harder than the import tanks.. It got bloody red streaks and died a slow death over a 20 minute period once introduced to the tank.

It's very common in south american dragon gobies because they are a brackish fish that needs alot of solids, then put into fresh water.. there osmosis system works super hard and they eventually die. I see the red blood streaks on them at work quite often.

just my 2 cents
 
Also you said the poly was being super active.. maybe overly hyper-active? Check out what pesty tankmates and/or hyperactivity can cause.. could be a secondary byproduct of being a large wild-caught specimen and then being put into captivity. But I don't know jack about polypterus I am just rambling :D

Osmorespiratory Compromise:

1. Stress hormones released into the bloodstream cause an increase in heart-rate and an increase in blood flow to the gills.
2. The increased blood flow to the gills results in the dilation of blood vessels in the gills.
3. As the blood vessels in the gills dilate the surface area of the gills is expanded.
4. The expanded gill surface causes an increased influx of ions and water loss in saltwater fish. Conversely, freshwater fish experience an increased influx of water and loss of ions.

Adrenaline disturbs ion transport at the gill membrane, and both adrenaline and cortisol cause temporary changes in gill permeability which, in fresh water, results in dilution of the blood by excessive gain of water. Avoid handling your fish at all cost. Spooking or stressing the fish, such as tapping on the glass or playful nibbles from tankmates, will cause this surge in adrenaline.
 
I guess Koliba's aren't for me. I'll never be able to provide it with the special care it needs for acclimation. Guess I'll stick to some of the hardier species and leave them to the truly hardcore aquarists lol.

Miles thank you very much for taking the time.
 
I wouldnt say it's that.. I doubt it's your ability..

could of been the specimen..

could of been a fluke..


I just know that alot of the 'high priced', 'rare', 'import only' fish sure didn't last long and died alot from the red bloody streak issue.. (apistos, geos, discus, leaf fish, tigrinus)..
 
sorry to hear balton :(

great info miles!

just to set a couple things straight though. Koliba isn't harder to keep or acclimate than other bichirs (so don't be hesitant to try another one). And don't feel that a night light is a must. none of my tanks have one (in fact, they're in almost complete darkness once people go to bed). also bichirs don't necessarily all become very active at night. depends on the individuals. But they do change their resting spot to the more open area of the tank, as opposed to at the back or under things during the day.
 
Mine was never super active, he grazed around the tank here and there, but nothing like ornate or senegal by any means.

I thought I was the only one....the only time I ever lost a bichir was due to jumping out of the tank, never had any trouble from any other issues.

Water quality was always great....he was eating one day and died the next day..

stan
 
does anybody have pics of polypterus koliba
 
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