pool cartridge filter

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ozpkchris

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hey does any one use a pool cartridge filter i was working on on to day and i thought it would be great for small particle filtration,
my onl doub would be if my sump motor that pushes 800 gph would cut it,

i bought my fx5 for mosty mechanica, i soon found ot it was better at bio, which i dont need, i im thinking i can replace it it on of these filtersbut first i ave to find the mininimun gph needed to run a small one


any thoughts
chris
 
I can't think of a reason why not. I have one similar in stock and have been contemplating an experiment. As for pumps, Pool filters are rated to run at a higher pressure than an aquarium filter so i'm thinking there will be some trial and error. I would think a comparison of filter surface area and micron size to something conventional such as an Ocean clear cartridge filter ought to get you in the ballpark. If you follow thru with this, post your results or PM me.
Thanks
 
Bag filters are usually better for aquariums. The organic (bacterial) buildup in an aquarium constantly clogs the cartridge. A bag filter with a larger micron size will get rid of most particulates without clogging as fast.

Remember, in a pool chlorine keeps any bacterial buildup from happening.
 
cchhcc;3871808;3871808 said:
Bag filters are usually better for aquariums. The organic (bacterial) buildup in an aquarium constantly clogs the cartridge. A bag filter with a larger micron size will get rid of most particulates without clogging as fast.

Remember, in a pool chlorine keeps any bacterial buildup from happening.
I feel like i'm about to get an education here.
Are bag filters better because of their micron size or design ?
When you say "organic (bacterial) buildup" do you mean biological bacteria or fish waste/uneaten food or both ?
Unless you have a sump there aren't any bag filter options that incorporate an effective bypass method(with all due respect to the DIY versions on this forum). I tried using a 100 micron cartridge in my setup and was not happy with the water clarity. After some experimentation with different micron sizes I have settled on 30 microns as acceptable for me. You are absolutely correct in that the finer the micron rating the shorter the service interval.The only way to lengthen the service interval is to use a filter with a larger surface area(such as a pool filter) or adding more cartridge filters plumbed in parrallel.
None of this is meant to be argumentative, I just like to know the WHY behind the HOW.
 
I'm curious to know what size tank/system this is for?
 
BUMP. Has no one ever actually used a cartridge pool filter ? I find this hard to believe
 
dawnmarie;3871963; said:
I feel like i'm about to get an education here.
Are bag filters better because of their micron size or design ?
When you say "organic (bacterial) buildup" do you mean biological bacteria or fish waste/uneaten food or both ?
Unless you have a sump there aren't any bag filter options that incorporate an effective bypass method(with all due respect to the DIY versions on this forum). I tried using a 100 micron cartridge in my setup and was not happy with the water clarity. After some experimentation with different micron sizes I have settled on 30 microns as acceptable for me. You are absolutely correct in that the finer the micron rating the shorter the service interval.The only way to lengthen the service interval is to use a filter with a larger surface area(such as a pool filter) or adding more cartridge filters plumbed in parrallel.
None of this is meant to be argumentative, I just like to know the WHY behind the HOW.

dawnmarie;3878477; said:
BUMP. Has no one ever actually used a cartridge pool filter ? I find this hard to believe


I've used many pool related products (and a few other experiments) before. There's nothing wrong with the use of a cartridge so long as you're ready to clean and bleach it regulary, which would require the use of additional replacement cartridges during the process.

My use of the term "organic (bacterial) build up" refers to the bacterial growth that inevitably occurs on all surfaces in an aquarium, not to particulate wastes and the like. Even at low waste levels, that build up can slow or clog a micron cartridge, and the smaller the micron rating the worse that situation is. Certainly it takes longer to occur in low waste conditions, but it still does occur. In that case, you really need to make sure your pump is pressure rated and of a very well built and reliable model.

Bag filters have a thicker profile which, even at the same micron rating, tends to make them clog less quickly that a cartridge on a per square foot basis. They also have the ability, as you indicated, to allow water to bypass them if the become clogged when used in certain configurations (as in a sump as you noted).

There are some designs that do not require a sump yet still allow bypass as needed. Last time I checked Aquatic Ecosystems has such models, but they are basically just an enclosed PVC cylinder on a stand.

You can always reduce the clogging speed on your pool filter by running it last in a series of various micron rated cartridges or bags.
 
i gotta resurrect this old thread...

i was thinking about pool cartridge filters too. i'm trying to plan out a big tank (500-1,000gal) myself and was thinking about how to avoid a sump.

my thinking is that a pool cartridge filter followed by a pool sand filter (filled with pond matrix) would do the job for bio and mech.

a pool cartridge filter is basically the marineland magnum filter only WAY BIGGER... so why wouldn't that work? i always heard good things about the magnum...
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There are a couple problems with the majority of pool filters available that might or might not apply to any particular tank configuration.
1) Size: most pool filters wont fit under most stands. If they do fit under the stand will you be able to get the cartridge out without a major hassle.
2) Opening the canister for maintenance: Many pool filter canisters split in the middle instead of only the top being removed. This dumps water all over your floor. Not a problem outside but definitely a problem in a living room.
3) Pool filters are really only geared for mechanical filtration not biological filtration.
4) Flow: will an aquarium pump provide enough flow to make a pool filter effective? I don't see how this would be a problem for cartridge filter but I wonder about sand and DE filters?
5) $$$$

Other than the size they are very similar to aquarium filters. If you can find a decently priced pool filter that is small enough to work in your fish area I think it is a great idea! I just bought a Ocean Clear filter because of the large filtering area of the cartridge... it leaks... I wish I had bought a pool filter instead.

Although I like the idea of a cartridge pool filter I think the ultimate would be one of the small DE pool filters!!!! I already use pool dichromatic earth in my Vortex filter and it will run 4 or 5 days before needing to be cleaned. With a pool DE filter having 30+ times the filter area of my Vortex I can see one running many weeks before needing cleaning. And there really isn't any equal in water clarity to DE filters!
 
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