Possible Backlash of Using Nitrofurazone/Binox

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tank125

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Not sure, but it is the only reason I can think of that my 15" Tigrinus Cat is now sick. The tank in question was dosed with Nitrofurazone about 4 weeks ago. At the time no ill effects were noted with the catfish or rays. The rays cleared up. Since then I addressed a long term problem that I was unaware of, nitrates. They are now undetectable and have been for weeks. I also lowered the water temp down to 78 and the water has never been as clear as it is now. I have not been testing nitrites and am assuming that the bio-filter took a hit from the Nitrofurazone and I must of had a nitrite spike at some point causing stress to the catfish and consequently leaving him vulnerable to infection. If not the bio-filter, perhaps the catfish took a hit from the nitrofurazone, leaving him stessed and susceptible. His breathing has been heavy and labored for 3 days, it progressed over these 3 days and on the 3rd he stared loosing color and signs of septicemia are showing (red in fins). Also his gills are bright red. Therefore I am assuming internal bacterial infection and have begun a course of Maracyn II (he did not respond well to Kanamycin in the past). He is in quarantine/hospital for this treatment with salt @ 1lb/25gal and temp of 78F. I am sure he will pull through, I have seen him at worse moments. 12 hours in and he is breathing more relaxed. Had this guy for 3 years now.


The point of this thread is that I should have hospital tanked the rays before treating with the Nitrofurazone. It was foolish of me to risk the other tankmates and bio-filter with such a broad-spectrum antiobiotic. No, there is no guarantee that the Nitrofurazone is the cause, but it is a variable I could have avoided by using a hospital tank.





*I do not feed live, the system is 300 gallons and gets 25% daily water exchanges, filtration is 80 gallons of bio-balls + extensive mechanical, tankmates are 4 rays from 9" to 12", aeration is heavy, Binox is Nitrofurazone

**Mods please don't move, this is information for the Ray people thinking of using meds on show tanks.
 
sory to hear it bro. i had a tig in my ray tank a while back and i too dosed the tank with nitro. the tig wasnt sick when i dosed the tank but within hours of hitting the tank with nitro he began to pant. the following morning i arose to see the tig beginning to show signs of red streaks that i then believed to be septicemia. theorizig that it was indeed septicemia i ran the full course of the nitro. withing 4 days he was DEAD!!!!
looking back and having read your post here is my NEW theory. i think that the TIGs are sensative to the fact that Nitro depletes the water of dissolved O2. TIG's need TONS of dissovled O2 to thrive. the longer i ran the meds the more the was starved for O2. the red streaks werent septicemia at all but the tig showing signs of O2 starvations stress. you know when humans go for a jog or go for a marathon sessions with their girlfriends how their faces turn red? well that red color you see is the blood vessels pumping extra blood to the skin to try to cool off since the body is in an elevated stress level and seeking extra O2.
i will never put nitro in a tank or anywhere near a tig ever again. hopefully my theory is wrong and u can save ur tig!!! i wasnt so lucky....
p.s i think IMHO that is too much salt. salt in high doses makes fish SH*T and you dont want him to loose more food than he has to. if he isnt eating, as i am pretty sure that he's not, then he has less reserves to heal himself. BTW... catfish farmers dip their cats in a salt bath so that they SH*T out as much food as possible before they cut them up for people food!
 
omojena;2899934; said:
sory to hear it bro. i had a tig in my ray tank a while back and i too dosed the tank with nitro. the tig wasnt sick when i dosed the tank but within hours of hitting the tank with nitro he began to pant. the following morning i arose to see the tig beginning to show signs of red streaks that i then believed to be septicemia. theorizig that it was indeed septicemia i ran the full course of the nitro. withing 4 days he was DEAD!!!!
looking back and having read your post here is my NEW theory. i think that the TIGs are sensative to the fact that Nitro depletes the water of dissolved O2. TIG's need TONS of dissovled O2 to thrive. the longer i ran the meds the more the was starved for O2. the red streaks werent septicemia at all but the tig showing signs of O2 starvations stress. you know when humans go for a jog or go for a marathon sessions with their girlfriends how their faces turn red? well that red color you see is the blood vessels pumping extra blood to the skin to try to cool off since the body is in an elevated stress level and seeking extra O2.
i will never put nitro in a tank or anywhere near a tig ever again. hopefully my theory is wrong and u can save ur tig!!! i wasnt so lucky....

Good info, but in this case the fins are red, not streaks. This happened 2 years ago, these pics are from then and better than I can take right now. The symptoms are the same.

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Interesting.... My little female ray began panting after the first Binox treatment. Continued for another day, still I started pumping an additional 700 GPH through her tank. The next day she appeared to be breathing normal.

I hope this stuff doesn't have the same effect on other sensitive fish like Payara....

Please keep us updated tank.......
 
terry, thats exactly what mine looked like b4 his demise. is yours still taking food? mine stopped AS SOON AS I MEDICATED!!!! :o(
 
omojena;2899958; said:
terry, thats exactly what mine looked like b4 his demise. is yours still taking food? mine stopped AS SOON AS I MEDICATED!!!! :o(

He is plenty fat, no need for food right now, he will make it the 5 days with Maracyn II without eating.

Hey Omar, thanks for revealing my real name! There goes my anonymity!
 
tank125;2899972; said:
He is plenty fat, no need for food right now, he will make it the 5 days with Maracyn II without eating.

Hey Omar, thanks for revealing my real name! There goes my anonymity!


You a superhero or something?

Terry
 
tank125;2899972; said:
He is plenty fat, no need for food right now, he will make it the 5 days with Maracyn II without eating.

Hey Omar, thanks for revealing my real name! There goes my anonymity!

sorry teresa. i should have never revealed!!! i figured after our night of passion a few years back that it was ok. :ROFL::naughty::grinno::nilly::hitting::welcome::raspberry:mwave::hearts: hahahahahah
 
This is how he looks right now, well 1 minute ago...

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