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[screaminleeman]

As a proud member of the most "UBER" invasive species that has EVER existed on Gods green earth, I swear that I have never heard ANYTHING in my life as hypocrytical as Humans (Especially we Americans) calling ANY OTHER SPECIES on this planet "INVASIVE"

Hell, I defy one single person to be able to "shake" the myopic thought process for just one second and clearly state with lucidity that the Human is not SO FAR BEYOND the level of "INVASIVNESS" as a species that no other species on this planet could POSSIBLY be considered invasive by human standards.

Don't even go with the HAHAHAHA "Native American" Indian Bull shoot! They no more originated in the Americas than we "white man" did, and invaded the land that other "native" creatures inhabited.

Go far beyond that. With the Human invasion, the extreme prohibitive vast majority of the invasivness was both fully intentional and pre-meditated. (minus the slaves I guess brought against their will!) We came with FULL intention of making ANY AND EVERY native species TOTALLY subserviant to our needs.

As humans we can NOT look at the truth because it hurt so much.

I hate hearing "fish" termed as "invasive species" by people far too dishonest to look inside to actually see what a TRUE INVASIVE SPECIES" really is. You wussies that refuse to accept and embrace your TRUE NATURE, I am truely sorry for you!

We are the ONLY invasive species on the planet! Each and every one of you should take great pride in admitting that you are 1,000,000X the invasive species and impact the environment in numerous ways that no other species on this planet could possibly dream of!

Can one person deny that a every human being impacts the ecosystem far worse than ANY other animal?

 

[Rawrzer]

wow i actually really like this and completely agree. humans are the most invasive species on this planet and always will be. for people to call certain fish and animals or plants invasive is a load of bull.

 

[JteSchertz]

Another thread on this???? Really???

 

[Madding]

Humans have the transportational capabilities to "invade" other territories.

When a fish moves from one body of water to another (sometimes across the world) for no reason other than human interference and stupidity (truck crashes, walking catfish crawl away [lol], releasing pets into the wild, aquaculture facilities built in flood-prone areas), I think it is fair to call that a different type of "invasive."

The two are unrelatable in my eyes.

 

[screaminleeman]

Humans have the transportational capabilities to "invade" other territories.

When a fish moves from one body of water to another (sometimes across the world) for no reason other than human interference and stupidity (truck crashes, walking catfish crawl away [lol], releasing pets into the wild, aquaculture facilities built in flood-prone areas), I think it is fair to call that a different type of "invasive."

The two are unrelatable in my eyes.

I disagree whole heartedly. I would not consider you an invasive species of someone kidnapped you, flew you over to Iran, and parachuted you into their country. I think that you should have every right to "return" to your home unharmed.

The peoples in Iran, may however not care that you were dropped into their country against your will, and still consider you invasive and kill you as such!

I do agree with your point on the transportational abilities of we humans. IMO that only makes it FAR WORSE for us as "invasive species"! While Humans were directly responsible for most of the Human invasivness, the majority of animal invasivness is a result of human tranportational abilities. More often than not, the "invasive aminal" would NOT have been able to complete it's "invasion" without the direct intervention of a Human!

In short I can summ my opinion up with:
Human invasivness = Humans fault
Animal invasivness = Humans fault

 

[Madding]

I agree that it is a humans fault. All my examples of how fish are introduced to foreign waters is a result of human negligence. I just don't see how it makes them any less invasive.

 

[screaminleeman]

I agree that it is a humans fault. All my examples of how fish are introduced to foreign waters is a result of human negligence. I just don't see how it makes them any less invasive.

I respect your opinion, but disagree. I would again pin the "invasive species" medal on the human that enabled the non-native animal to enter the native eco-system.

The term that I would use to describe the animals we are calling "invasive species" (ex. Pythons in Florida!) actions within the eco-system that they have been forced into is "survival instinct".

If I were dropped into Iran against my will, I would not simply sit back and accept my execution as well deserved. My survival instinct would kick in and in the extreme possibly even result in the death of every man, woman and child in Iran, so that I could continue living! With that said, I still think that in this case that I am NOT an invasive and that I do have a right to fight back for my survival even at the expense of the population terming me invasive to their land!

The damage that the higher level predators do when introduced to a new eco-system is very simply survival instinct inherent in most wild animals.

Animals act on instinct "invasiveness" would tend toward giving one the impression of sentient though involved.

 

[eatingleg4peanut]

I don't really understand this thread. Of course we are invasive, its what a dominant species does. That said, we are by no means the "only" invasive species. We may be responsible for a majority of the invasive species being introduced to their new ecosystem, but they are non the less an invasive species. Nature plays its role in introducing invasive species as well, be it via hurricane, flooding, parasites or even a meteorite. We are a product of nature, rather than develop the physical power that some species have or specialized abilities of others, we have developed a powerful brain, which has proven to be the ultimate evolutionary attribute. I do agree we are the ultimate invasive species, but that doesn't mean we are the only invasive species or that we should be ok with watching ecosystems go amuck due to our influence or nature's.

 

[Specialk314]

sooo.... what's the point? are you going to talk about it or be about it? are you purposing a mass move and try to fit nearly 6.9 billion people into a small area of africa or are you purposing a mass genocide of everyone that's been "invasive"

i don;t think anyone is going to disagree that humans have had to worse impact on the environment, but come on, we gotta be realistic

 

[ecoli73]

People who think humans are the worst thing that happened to this planet can shoot themselves in the head.

As far as invasive species are concerned, I consider them better at adaptation than others; on the other hand, Humans should not deliberately introduce foreign species to native population due to biodiversity issues.