pot scrubbers for canister

[NOLAGT]

In that link are they saying the surface area per pot scrubbie and per bio ball?? It seems that a pot scrubie is bigger than one bio ball so if they are looking at them 1 to 1 it might not be fare? Like maybe 2 bioballs take up the same area as one scrubbie...at that point who has more area...see what im saying?

I am trying to decide if I want bio balls for my wetdry of the scrubbies. I can get 1665 bio balls for 92 bucks shipped.

 

[esse]

Bio balls & pot scrubs are very good for wet dry. For canister I would use ceramic. (Ring, Ehime, Cell pore, etc). You can find ceramic rings anywhere.

 

[carpboyjoe]

In that link are they saying the surface area per pot scrubbie and per bio ball?? It seems that a pot scrubie is bigger than one bio ball so if they are looking at them 1 to 1 it might not be fare? Like maybe 2 bioballs take up the same area as one scrubbie...at that point who has more area...see what im saying?

I am trying to decide if I want bio balls for my wetdry of the scrubbies. I can get 1665 bio balls for 92 bucks shipped.

It does mention in the table that it is the surface area of 1 cubic ft of the media.So 1 cubic ft of bio balls will give you 160 square feet of surface area and 1 cubic ft of scrubies will give you 370 square feet of surface area at least that is how i understand it. So scrubies would give you twice as much surface area as bio balls for the same volume.None of the media's listed come even close to eheim Ehfisubstratpro for surface area that is available for BB to grow on,I use this in my canisters and have never had any problems.Although it may be to expensive for a W/D filter.

 

[NOLAGT]

It does mention in the table that it is the surface area of 1 cubic ft of the media.So 1 cubic ft of bio balls will give you 160 square feet of surface area and 1 cubic ft of scrubies will give you 370 square feet of surface area at least that is how i understand it. So scrubies would give you twice as much surface area as bio balls for the same volume.None of the media's listed come even close to eheim Ehfisubstratpro for surface area that is available for BB to grow on,I use this in my canisters and have never had any problems.Although it may be to expensive for a W/D filter.

Ahh ok for 1 cubic foot of media. I missed that part...I was thinking it was saying per unit...like one ball and one scrubie.

Well then I guess im leaning more to the scrubies now for my wetdry.

For a canister tho...I dont know. The bio-balls say they loose a lot by being under water and not being trickled on. Are scrubbies the same....they loos a lot of effectiveness once under water?

 

[carpboyjoe]

For canisters you really want to be looking at a sintered glass media because it has way more surface area than scrubies or bio balls and is more suited to canisters.You are far more limited on space in canisters compared to W/D type filters hence the need to maximise the available area for BB to grow on.
Depending on the size of the bio balls and the scrubies you may struggle to get enough bio filtration but that would depend on your bio load, I have quite a heavy bio load and find tha eheim stuff great, I have 2 x 2028 and around 3 litres in each and it keep my water bang on.

 

[Pharaoh]

You can go to Ebay and buy larger amounts of ceramic media for your XP for really cheap. I bought enought to do my XP2 & XP3 for $15-20.

 

[imisim]

Ahh ok for 1 cubic foot of media. I missed that part...I was thinking it was saying per unit...like one ball and one scrubie.

Well then I guess im leaning more to the scrubies now for my wetdry.

For a canister tho...I dont know. The bio-balls say they loose a lot by being under water and not being trickled on. Are scrubbies the same....they loos a lot of effectiveness once under water?

I can fit 39 large scrubbers (the dollar store sells the same size for $1 per pack/2 pieces) in each tray of my pond filter which has been modded to used as an aquarium filter. It's cheaper to buy them online. It's only cost me $54.63 for 10 cases, 24 Packs Per Case, 2 Per Pack.

 

[mbunabum]

Howdy,

pot scrubbers have very little surface area. Fine for large volume w/d, but not good in a canister. Better get some quality sintered glass materials like EhfiSubstrat Pro or Sera Siporax.

HarleyK

Agree totally with HarleyK... except I use Seachem Matrix... and just love this stuff... use in it all my filters!

info from their website....

""Seachem Matrix™ Filter Media is a high porosity biomedia that provides efficient biofiltration for the removal of nitrogenous waste. Matrix™ is a porous inorganic solid about 10 mm in diameter. Each liter of Matrix™ provides as much surface (less than 162 m) as 40 liters of plastic balls! Plastic bio-materials provide only external surface area, whereas Matrix™ provides internal macroporous surface area. These macropores are ideally sized for the support of nitrifying and denitrifying bacteria. This allows Matrix™, unlike other forms of biomedia, to remove nitrate along with ammonia and nitrite, simultaneously and in the same filter. Matrix™ is completely inert and will not breakdown. It need not be replaced. Use 1-2 Liters of Matrix™ for each 100 gallons. Since the majority of the bacteria are internal, Matrix™ may be rinsed when needed without damaging the filter. Matrix™ is compatible with all types of wet or wet-dry filters. Marine or freshwater use.""

 

[puffcrusader696]

id use eheim substrat pro because its basically amazing.

 

[Bderick67]

If you figure cost per square foot of surface area. Pot scrubbies cost much more then Bio max, ehfisubstart or even matrix which pales in comparison to the previous mentioned