Pound for Pound toughest fish?
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Ash - don't worry about kevin mate, you can see what he's like
He's plain rude and disrespectful insinuating that we're all lying.Thanks for posting your experience Ash, it doesn't really surprise me. Like I've been trying to say, a dovii and other cichlids may be tough and designed for fighting, but snakeheads are born to kill. Reds even do the death roll.
Also ash - don't get this thread wrong. Given your love of wolves and channas, you obviously appreciate a predator, and I'm just interested in the very baddest preds of them all. I see it in more of a scientific way, I'm a huge boxing fan. I see it in a similar way.
All the fish my striata killed were not put in just to get killed, I was trying to see if it could live with ANYTHING but it wouldn't. When it was 8 inches it even tried to kill 2 12 inch endys. So I took them out. The jag, dovii etc were meant to be tankmates, I thought they may be tough and brave enough to survive.
Since the endys I realized it could live with nothing, so for the last 6 months or so he's been housed alone, and he now lives with zix in portugal.
Kevin - quit while you're behind, and you also need to learn some manners. You call someone a liar at the drop of a hat, that's plain rude and disrespectful. Ash is a valuable and respected member here who recently secured - and posted pics of - the only barca pair in the world. But hey, you probably don't even know what a barca is
I agree, it's absurd
What kind of a disussion forum would this be if every discussion or statement had to be backed up by a video?
"Hey guys my marbled swamp eel ate an earthworm half his size yesterday"
"BULLCHISI! It's easy to make up stories, where's the video to prove it?!"
Hahahahaha.
I wonder if he'd be inanely insisting on a video over and over again if someone came on here and posted an experience of their dovii killing their channa
You take the cake rummy, you call someone an ignoraumous and I'm the rude one. You are just a newbie to me I was keeping fish when you were in kindergarten. Go check how long I was on *********** this is a newer site. Why are you so paranoid that someone is calling you a liar? All I asked for is documentation. Where did I call anyone a liar? Only you have mentioned lying!
I respect the way Ashdavid posted and answered me and I can tell he doesn't glory in fish killing like you. So I respect that too.
Anyone with a background in behavorial science could spot your personality traits a mile away. As if boxing has anything to do with fish fights. Please spare us mature adults the baloney.
I will soon document for all my fish keeping abilities. As soon as I find my pictures to scan.
And if its Anecdotes you want,I had a 24 inch cobra snakehead who at 15 inches easily killed a 10-1/2 inch red. However he lived with a 10 inch red devil ,4 tinfoil barbs and a pacu, for years. The most he would do is once and awhile grab one by the face and spit him out. Why? because most S/H won't kill what they can't eat, and they were to big for him to swallow( the only exception might be a Red) Now on the other hand I have a 16 inch Dovii that lives alone since he murders anything put in his tank alive or dead. So you tell me who is tougher? Their is a big difference between a fish that murders other fish and one who just kills to eat.
And to differentiate us I do not experiment with puting fish in his tank "just to see who could live with him". Why because I am an experienced fishkeeper and know what would happen (even to your beloved snakeheads). Only a newbie wouldn't know or and unless he had a huge tank like Ashdavid.
Still waitng for the video mate!
I respect the way Ashdavid posted and answered me and I can tell he doesn't glory in fish killing like you. So I respect that too.
Anyone with a background in behavorial science could spot your personality traits a mile away. As if boxing has anything to do with fish fights. Please spare us mature adults the baloney.
I will soon document for all my fish keeping abilities. As soon as I find my pictures to scan.
And if its Anecdotes you want,I had a 24 inch cobra snakehead who at 15 inches easily killed a 10-1/2 inch red. However he lived with a 10 inch red devil ,4 tinfoil barbs and a pacu, for years. The most he would do is once and awhile grab one by the face and spit him out. Why? because most S/H won't kill what they can't eat, and they were to big for him to swallow( the only exception might be a Red) Now on the other hand I have a 16 inch Dovii that lives alone since he murders anything put in his tank alive or dead. So you tell me who is tougher? Their is a big difference between a fish that murders other fish and one who just kills to eat.
And to differentiate us I do not experiment with puting fish in his tank "just to see who could live with him". Why because I am an experienced fishkeeper and know what would happen (even to your beloved snakeheads). Only a newbie wouldn't know or and unless he had a huge tank like Ashdavid.
Still waitng for the video mate!
I'm not sure why kevin, because I don't have a video, neither does ash.
How old are you Kevin? I'm 24, I've been keeping fish for long time, with a long break.
When I was 9/10/11 I had a red that grew to 2 foot. That thing was a beast, at adult size it would rip apart anything you put in.
As a juvenile however, it was not that aggressive to fish it's own size.
I recently owned another red, that at 8 or 9 inches left fish alone half it's size and was best friends with a cichla. I kept them well fed.
I got my striata at about 2.5 inches, and a day later it killed a 4 inch spotted gar that was supposed to be a tankmate. It then went on a non stop killing spree with everything I put it with, including fish twice it's size. I tried putting it with 2 large oscars in THEIR tank, and it started furiously attacking both of them simultaneously.
Then later I tried it with 2 foot long endy congicus, it attacked both of those at the same time too, it ended up getting one of the endy's heads in it's mouth and shaking it. Just like it did with the dovii. But bichirs are tough as nails, so it was fine really, I took them both out.
And I prefer predatory communities, that's why i tried the tankmates. I had no reason to think a baby striata would murder everything I put with it. Most of the fish it didn't even eat, most of them were far too big to be swallowed, and I fed it a varied diet at least twice a day. You wouldn't have thought that either, would you have assumed a juvi striata would kill everything in the tank? No other juvenile snakehead I've ever seen is as aggressive as that. And like I've said before, don't believe me? Ask zix - I recently sold it to him. He knows what a brute he is. He'll even attack you through the glass.
Your notion that most channas only attack what they can eat is untrue, out of the large species of channa I've kept 2 out of the 3 killed anything you put in there, without eating it. Only 1 lived peacefully with others.
And don't twist things Kevin, you didn't outright call us liars, you insinuated it with ash saying "I can tell stories too", and said something similar to me.
I found it rude and disrespectful when you insinuated that I was lying about my striata killing a dovii.
Who said boxing has anything to do with fish fights? I'm saying my motive for being interested in high end predatory fish, in a who beats who scenario, is the same as my interest in boxing. I love combat, I find it fascinating.
I like cichlids too, one of my favourite fish at the moment is my loisellei. It's a lovely fish with a nice temperament and very friendly.
Here is a crappy phone pic of the striata, sorry I don't have a digital camera.
Then there's the red, healing after being beaten up by that jardini, and his best friend the pbass. And finally the wolf I had that was a complete wuss.
How old are you Kevin? I'm 24, I've been keeping fish for long time, with a long break.
When I was 9/10/11 I had a red that grew to 2 foot. That thing was a beast, at adult size it would rip apart anything you put in.
As a juvenile however, it was not that aggressive to fish it's own size.
I recently owned another red, that at 8 or 9 inches left fish alone half it's size and was best friends with a cichla. I kept them well fed.
I got my striata at about 2.5 inches, and a day later it killed a 4 inch spotted gar that was supposed to be a tankmate. It then went on a non stop killing spree with everything I put it with, including fish twice it's size. I tried putting it with 2 large oscars in THEIR tank, and it started furiously attacking both of them simultaneously.
Then later I tried it with 2 foot long endy congicus, it attacked both of those at the same time too, it ended up getting one of the endy's heads in it's mouth and shaking it. Just like it did with the dovii. But bichirs are tough as nails, so it was fine really, I took them both out.
And I prefer predatory communities, that's why i tried the tankmates. I had no reason to think a baby striata would murder everything I put with it. Most of the fish it didn't even eat, most of them were far too big to be swallowed, and I fed it a varied diet at least twice a day. You wouldn't have thought that either, would you have assumed a juvi striata would kill everything in the tank? No other juvenile snakehead I've ever seen is as aggressive as that. And like I've said before, don't believe me? Ask zix - I recently sold it to him. He knows what a brute he is. He'll even attack you through the glass.
Your notion that most channas only attack what they can eat is untrue, out of the large species of channa I've kept 2 out of the 3 killed anything you put in there, without eating it. Only 1 lived peacefully with others.
And don't twist things Kevin, you didn't outright call us liars, you insinuated it with ash saying "I can tell stories too", and said something similar to me.
I found it rude and disrespectful when you insinuated that I was lying about my striata killing a dovii.
Who said boxing has anything to do with fish fights? I'm saying my motive for being interested in high end predatory fish, in a who beats who scenario, is the same as my interest in boxing. I love combat, I find it fascinating.
I like cichlids too, one of my favourite fish at the moment is my loisellei. It's a lovely fish with a nice temperament and very friendly.
Here is a crappy phone pic of the striata, sorry I don't have a digital camera.
Then there's the red, healing after being beaten up by that jardini, and his best friend the pbass. And finally the wolf I had that was a complete wuss.
Oh man, I saw where this thread was going as soon as Kevin came on, hence tried to keep quiet and ignore it, even after being inferred to as a liar after telling my experience with my jardini/dovii; but this is getting a bit ridiculous.
Kevin, you've turn this discussion about what we think is the most toughest fish into a 'my fish is badder than yours, my d..k is bigger than yours, my daddy can beat your daddy etc.' Everyone was simply giving their opinions, and what they have experienced with fish keeping in the past. It makes you kind of look stupid that you came on and started accusing everyone of making up stories, and asking for video proof of what they are saying-WITHOUT PROVIDING ANY YOURSELF (There!! I can be just as childest as you are).
What possible reason could I have for making up that my jardini killed my dovii. It was not to say that my fish is tougher than yours, BECAUSE I OWNED BOTH FISH. In fact, I gave the opinion that the sh was the toughest, eventhough I have never owned one, but I have fished for them, and know someone who owned one.
And you will never see a video from me on my jardini killing my dovii because if I had been there, I would have separated them. Why on earth would I spend 4 years raising and looking after it to see it destroyed? In fact, I regreted losing that dovii more than any other fish I have ever lost. That jardini was sold straight away b/c I did not want to keep a single fish in my 240 gallon.
Don't take everything so personally. This site is here to enjoy our mutual love of fish keeping, not to slag off other people when they have different opinions. You obviously love your dovii, and think he is the biggest badass around, some of us have different opinions on how bad OUR doviis are (oops, I meant were).
Phew!! I am going to chillout and go fishing. Pity there's no doviis around here, I could of used a bit of a workout on my ultralight 2lb gear.
Kevin, you've turn this discussion about what we think is the most toughest fish into a 'my fish is badder than yours, my d..k is bigger than yours, my daddy can beat your daddy etc.' Everyone was simply giving their opinions, and what they have experienced with fish keeping in the past. It makes you kind of look stupid that you came on and started accusing everyone of making up stories, and asking for video proof of what they are saying-WITHOUT PROVIDING ANY YOURSELF (There!! I can be just as childest as you are).
What possible reason could I have for making up that my jardini killed my dovii. It was not to say that my fish is tougher than yours, BECAUSE I OWNED BOTH FISH. In fact, I gave the opinion that the sh was the toughest, eventhough I have never owned one, but I have fished for them, and know someone who owned one.
And you will never see a video from me on my jardini killing my dovii because if I had been there, I would have separated them. Why on earth would I spend 4 years raising and looking after it to see it destroyed? In fact, I regreted losing that dovii more than any other fish I have ever lost. That jardini was sold straight away b/c I did not want to keep a single fish in my 240 gallon.
Don't take everything so personally. This site is here to enjoy our mutual love of fish keeping, not to slag off other people when they have different opinions. You obviously love your dovii, and think he is the biggest badass around, some of us have different opinions on how bad OUR doviis are (oops, I meant were).
Phew!! I am going to chillout and go fishing. Pity there's no doviis around here, I could of used a bit of a workout on my ultralight 2lb gear.
I want to go Dovii fishing with you! how about we use snakehead its top bate for Dovii
just flicking through this post the bulk of people who have owned Snakeheads know how dam right nasty they are. Kev you need to chill out there are at least 3 of use that have had Dovii and snakeheads and yes they are really cool tough fish but I dont want to put my Dovii in a tank with a snakehead and video it having being mutilated to prove a point. If I wanted to do that I could go watch a bullfight /dog fight / cock fight etc. As for Wolf fish this was the only fish I have owned that I really was careful with it nearly had me a few times and wiped out a few tank mates but big red bit his whole back end off. This was the last fish he shared a tank with after that solitary confinement.Stotty - I used to stroke my wolf and he used to let me, my g/f is a witness
He was a surprisingly placid fish, never hurt anything but feeder fish. Do you have a pic of yours Paul? Mine was a brazilian mal.
He was a surprisingly placid fish, never hurt anything but feeder fish. Do you have a pic of yours Paul? Mine was a brazilian mal.
Stotty - I used to stroke my wolf and he used to let me, my g/f is a witness
He was a surprisingly placid fish, never hurt anything but feeder fish. Do you have a pic of yours Paul? Mine was a brazilian mal.
It was in the days before I had a digital camera. Might have one in the loft in the old school pictures will have a look if I fined it will post it up. I have had 2 and grown them on, well sold one, Red had the other one as a feeder
. My one used play murder at night put a friend in the tank for him all day fine, evening fine, next morning CARNAGE! 
Had an Oscar 3 times his size when he was a juvenile got up next morning the Oscar was cowering in the corner lumps out of it with the look of WTF was that on his face.