Question about DIY acrylic

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CichlidDan;2159893; said:
This is going to be my first DIY and I am still scared to start, have any of you guys ever made your own and have any tips to make it much stronger. I read that making 1/2"x1/2" strips and welding them in along all of the load bearing stressed seams should help. Any of you guys have any tips, positive or negative experiences to share before I start this. I will get in a lot of trouble if this thing fails in my parents basement...hahaha.

Those two words change everything. Buy a used tank. If it fails, you won't have to take the blame for screwing up. If you were my kid, you would get automatic forgiveness because you at least tried. Unfortunately most parents would rather have their kids never try (and learn) anything rather than to have them fail.



You'll have to excuse me folks, but it is 6:00am and my fishing pole is calling me.
 
I had entertained the idea of making a 75ish gal tank( just because I like diy) but after reading this thread I'm going to take Chompers advice and buy one
 
This is really the only way that I am gonna be able to get a bigger aquarium as I had a tough time convincing them to allow me a 90 gallon. They won't allow me to buy another but since I would be making this at school I get marks for it so it is like a little loophole in my parents rules I guess. I never realized how hopelessly addicted I would get to keeping fish and more specifically cichla and this will alow me to at least keep them a little longer. I see myself as a perfectionist and I will basically control the entire project. I see that 18" is well within the recommended height for 1/2" acrylic. As this is my only option I am not looking for beauty in the tank. I just need to be able to see the fish and it has to hold water. I have very rough plans laid out for the tank. Since I am working on this at school I would even get marks for practicing bonding the acrylic and such. I also have a very large work area. Would building the aquarium bonding it together, then taking 1/2"x1/2" strips and bonding those over all the seams help? (except for the top brace) Anyways I drew these up in paint to show you guys roughly what I am talking about...

aquarium diagram 1.jpg

aquarium diagram 2.jpg
 
I have been reading about capillary sealing and I have sen even a tank here that failed due to using that method. What is this two-part polymer for bonding acrylic and do you guys know what it's advantages are?
 
I don't wanna derail here, by my inner dork is winning the fight.

"is 1/4" acrylic half the strength of 1/2??" Well, close enough to it not to bother arguing much.

"Are 2 sheets of 1/4" the same as 1 sheet of 1/2"??" NO. There are several reasons why. In an ideal world with simple rules and a lot of assumptions about things being exactly flawless and perfect, yeah, they'd be the same, but there are a few things that prevent that.

1) Your sheets will not be dimensionally perfect. When you weld them together at the edges, one will be warmer than the other, or crooked, or there will be a tiny hair between them, meaning that you now have two members beside each other bearing the load, but only one of the sheets will take that load until it deforms enough that the other sheet is also loaded. Acrylic stretches a bit, but it will still mean that there is more stress in one of the sheets than the other, and thus that sheet will fail before the other one.

2) Acrylic is a brittle material, so surface defects weaken it. The deeper the defect in relation to the thickness, and the sharper the tip of the defect, the more it weakens the sheet. Two 1/4" sheets have 4 surfaces instead of the 2 surfaces of the 1/2", AND the sheets are thinner in relation to the same sized defect, so you are twice as likely to have defects, and they will have a larger effect each on the overall strength of the sheet. You are also likely to trap crap of some description when you laminate the two sheets, which will generate point loads and create more defects.

3) I believe chompers already pointed out that in bending, the fact that the two sheets are loaded in opposite directions will cause them to buckle or stretch and slide past one another. Imagine picking up a stack of paper and you get the idea.

These effects are small, especially since you will not be getting anywhere near the yield strength of the material on the top of the tank, but if we're going to make the comparison, we might as well be anal about it, right? :p

"is the joint stronger than the acrylic?" NO! Even if you use a glue that hardens to a stronger substance than the substrate, it's the bond of the glue TO the substrate that is difficult to achieve. If you use a glue that soaks into the substrate and hardens to stronger than the substrate, like some wicking wood glues, then yes, your joint, and the substrate in the immediate vicinity of the joint will be stronger. (some kids in my physics 11 class used this principle when we had to build balsa wood bridges and soaked their bridge in cyanoacrylate glue.) However, bonding acrylic is generally done with a solvent. So you take your nicely arranged cast molecules, stir them up with a chemical, mash them together, and then let the chemical evaporate. No matter how well you do this, there will be some chemical left, some tiny air bubble, some flaw, some incompletely blended molecules somewhere. Sometimes seperating acrylic joints forcibly causes the substrate to break before the bond does, but this is most often caused by the way the force was applied, or some other existing flaw in the material. Maybe the 2-part structural plastic adhesives like weld-on 42 will bond and harden to a stronger joint than the surrounding material, but you can hardly count on this to add any strength to the panel.

OK. It's all out now. /derail
 
CichlidDan;2163527; said:
I have been reading about capillary sealing and I have sen even a tank here that failed due to using that method. What is this two-part polymer for bonding acrylic and do you guys know what it's advantages are?

I think it's Weld-on #42 - structural plastic adhesive. Never used it, but I'd love to hear from some who have.
 
cvermeulen;2163625; said:
I think it's Weld-on #42 - structural plastic adhesive. Never used it, but I'd love to hear from some who have.

Today i just used weld-on #40 to seal up this bulkhead i have on the bottom of my tank. its a two part cement, i placed a square acrylic around it and i put the weld-on around it, inside it and the bottom of the bulkhead hole i shall see if it leaks lol... it is said to use for repairing aquarium and such.
 
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