Well Jackson looks like you can dish it out but can't take it. Who really cares what you or I think about plecos? You're mind is made up my mind is made up. So what? I don't understand you blasting newbies in the hobby? I thought this forum was to help new people enjoy the hobby not try and show how smart you are. Then call them "lazy". I've got 2 tanks set up not 3000 gallons so who is really doing the hobby hard and hurting himself? Plecoking my appoligies didn't think this thread would go this way. Regardless it or they are cool plecos. After you have them for awhile judge for yourself.