questions on water softeners/additives

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Deaths Sting;2909542; said:
6 in 1 test strips are not as accurate as single liquid tests. **even though i do use them too** lol

the truth

Jungle;2909554; said:
The ketapeat nuggets should be fine (I don't know how long it takes for its effects to wear out though) since you aren't open to adding anymore driftwood. It contains mostly ketapang (indian almond leaf) extract (what other forumers are referring to as cattapa) peat, and oak. I'd go with that rather than the liquid extract because I'd imagine since that is used as media it will keep your ph more consistent (especially after a wc) for a longer period of time, and will save you money and effort in the long run (compared to having to continually dose with the liquid stuff).

the proper way to use peat is to make an extract.. its a process thats a pain in my ass

Aquafreak;2909569; said:
Will they still turn the water brown from tannins?

when using peat if its not done right, its tends to make your water an ugly milky brown... its not the nice tannins that you get from drift would and almonds leaves.
 
For a long long time I used only store bought spring water for my tanks. Its a little pricey but the parameters on it are primo right out of the bottle. Low ph, fair kh, and no chlorine or chloramines or any other nasty things. But recently ive started using tap water for my water changes. My tap water params are almost exactly like yours. Upper 7's on Ph, Kh and Gh off the charts. I use Prime to condition the tap water before I add it. My fish seem to be doing just fine, and no effect on colors. I started using tap water as a means of conditioning them for their new home. Recently acquired a 350g and its filled with conditioned tap water. So the water changes with tap water are in a sense a "drip" method of acclimating them to the new tank. After another 2-3 weeks the big tank will be cycled, and my fish will be adjusted to the new parameters of the tap water.

One advantage to low ph is ammonia toxicity. I read somewhere recently that ammonia actually turns into ammonium in ph lower than 7, and ammonium isnt as toxic as ammonia which occurs in ph higher than 7. Being that Cichla are not very tolerant to ammonia, lower ph would be beneficial in that sense. On a side note, I have 3 XXL pieces of driftwood in the new tank, and my ph in the tank is no lower than it is right out of the tap. Its the same. The wood has released lots of tannins, my water looks like light tea at the moment, but ph is still exactly where it was before it went in the tank...
 
I got a question for you guys. Even though I have a ton of driftwood in my tank and my water is brown. How come my pH is still 7.8. I use the liquid tests and i tested my tank water and my tap water and both of them still come out to 7.8.

Is that wierd? Believe me my water is nice and brown..

Or does driftwood have no effect on pH?
 
xaznkewlguyx;2911797; said:
I got a question for you guys. Even though I have a ton of driftwood in my tank and my water is brown. How come my pH is still 7.8. I use the liquid tests and i tested my tank water and my tap water and both of them still come out to 7.8.

Is that wierd? Believe me my water is nice and brown..

Or does driftwood have no effect on pH?


have you tested your water hardness? just because your ph is high doesn't necc mean that your water is hard... most metals get evaporated and driftwood still softens your water by releasing water softening properties.. i can not vouch for this since your ph IS 7.8 and ever time i have added drift or bog wood to any of my tanks it has lowered the ph dramatically but this is what i was told and have read.. test your tanks hardness and see what you come up with to prove the theory, this is the only way to truly find out. it does sound fishy since odviously something is in your water that keeps it buffed up to 7.8. another thing is don't add salt to your tank... it hardens your water and you will not find any traces of salt in the blackwater amazon. if i told what the ph in my tanks were you would be afraid to stick your hand in there.. it may melt away ;)

Venom SS;2911368; said:
For a long long time I used only store bought spring water for my tanks. Its a little pricey but the parameters on it are primo right out of the bottle. Low ph, fair kh, and no chlorine or chloramines or any other nasty things. But recently ive started using tap water for my water changes. My tap water params are almost exactly like yours. Upper 7's on Ph, Kh and Gh off the charts. I use Prime to condition the tap water before I add it. My fish seem to be doing just fine, and no effect on colors. I started using tap water as a means of conditioning them for their new home. Recently acquired a 350g and its filled with conditioned tap water. So the water changes with tap water are in a sense a "drip" method of acclimating them to the new tank. After another 2-3 weeks the big tank will be cycled, and my fish will be adjusted to the new parameters of the tap water.

One advantage to low ph is ammonia toxicity. I read somewhere recently that ammonia actually turns into ammonium in ph lower than 7, and ammonium isnt as toxic as ammonia which occurs in ph higher than 7. Being that Cichla are not very tolerant to ammonia, lower ph would be beneficial in that sense. On a side note, I have 3 XXL pieces of driftwood in the new tank, and my ph in the tank is no lower than it is right out of the tap. Its the same. The wood has released lots of tannins, my water looks like light tea at the moment, but ph is still exactly where it was before it went in the tank...


this is true, the only bad thing about low ph is i have that your biological bacteria isn't as strong and it is even worse with high temps because now you don't only have bio that isn't as strong but you have bad dissolved oxygen .. its a win loose.
 
that may be the cause.. i have added a ton of salt in my tank cause it had an outbreak of ick.

I'll have to retest when the ick is gone.
 
xaznkewlguyx;2912729; said:
that may be the cause.. i have added a ton of salt in my tank cause it had an outbreak of ick.

I'll have to retest when the ick is gone.

no need for salt... it stress fish out to produce slime coat.. yes you can add it but no need... just raise your temp and do water changes ;)
 
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