Quick question

[pops]

I am not sure where the question or perhaps perceived grey line, there is none, state law says no, then no, and you are the one responsible to know this, ignorance is no excuse under the law.

please understand the term ignorance in this case, it is not meant as an insult but lack of knowledge in the case of the states laws and can not be used as a defence in the court of law.

 

[esoxlucius]

Hmmm, interesting. Being from the uk, and knowing nothing at all about how the laws in the US work, i was wondering if someone could answer a very simple question for me (i suspect the answer may not be simple). Take the example of the pirahna. Why is this fish banned in some states, and fine in others. Who makes these calls, and on what basis? I see it all the time in posts on this forum. People asking whether it's ok to have this or that fish in this or that state. It must drive you guys nuts.

 

[Frank Castle]

Hmmm, interesting. Being from the uk, and knowing nothing at all about how the laws in the US work, i was wondering if someone could answer a very simple question for me (i suspect the answer may not be simple). Take the example of the pirahna. Why is this fish banned in some states, and fine in others. Who makes these calls, and on what basis? I see it all the time in posts on this forum. People asking whether it's ok to have this or that fish in this or that state. It must drive you guys nuts.

Generally it's banned where populations of them could survive if captives were to be released, but not ALL states ban them for that reason. NO CHANCE they could survive in Connecticut, or dozens of other states, but there are SOME states and bodies of water you'd never think they could survive like Lake of the Ozarks. Tests shown even at temps below 50F they go dormant no different than our native bass and sunfish until warmer weather approaches. Metabolism slows, feeding stops, activity is minimal......but THEY LIVE MUHUHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!



Florida is VERY strict about it....Snakeheads too

 

[esoxlucius]

Generally it's banned where populations of them could survive if captives were to be released, but not ALL states ban them for that reason. NO CHANCE they could survive in Connecticut, or dozens of other states, but there are SOME states and bodies of water you'd never think they could survive like Lake of the Ozarks. Tests shown even at temps below 50F they go dormant no different than our native bass and sunfish until warmer weather approaches. Metabolism slows, feeding stops, activity is minimal......but THEY LIVE MUHUHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!




Florida is VERY strict about it....Snakeheads too

That explains why we're not plagued with such laws in the uk then......IT'S FECKING FREEZING, no non native fish would live if released into the wild!

 

[Frank Castle]

That explains why we're not plagued with such laws in the uk then......IT'S FECKING FREEZING, no non native fish would live if released into the wild!

yea, lol.......ok, but check it out - if you look into it, the reptiles/amphibians WE can keep in the U.S., vs. What YOU can keep inn the U.K. is INSANE.....we don't even need DWAs for giant constrictors, venomous snakes, Monitors/Tegus/Helodermatidae or Crocodiles in most places.....and then some.


Look into the U.K. laws about what reptiles/amphibians a random citizen is allowed to own. lol it's kinda sad.

 

[esoxlucius]

I went to florida a few years ago, the place is awash with alligator stuffed lakes. I suppose the reptile guys amongst you must capture juveniles all the time and stick them in a pond until they get too big and then release them. Or are there strict laws against that too? I've also seen those bass angling comps on sky tv. You guys get free peacock bass! I've never seen them in any lfs in the uk, maybe they're a banned species in the uk, i dunno.

 

[Frank Castle]

I went to florida a few years ago, the place is awash with alligator stuffed lakes. I suppose the reptile guys amongst you must capture juveniles all the time and stick them in a pond until they get too big and then release them. Or are there strict laws against that too? I've also seen those bass angling comps on sky tv. You guys get free peacock bass! I've never seen them in any lfs in the uk, maybe they're a banned species in the uk, i dunno.

Except Alabama (where there are VERY few laws), it is illegal to own a Crocodilian in every state that Alligator mississippiensis is native to.....and a few others.....but very few. Mostly it is regulated by cities,counties or townships or boroughs and whatnot.

Peacock bass wouldn't be an introduced-native if there weren't dozens or hundreds of people who bought them that decided they got too big and released them, like pythons, monitor/tegu lizards, snakeheads, pacus, plecos, etc. The Pleco is actually a serious threat to our West Indian Manatee populations. I have seen them 3 feet long while snorkeling in Florida's natural springs......and since Manatees grow algae , plecos are the equivalent of a parasite.

Since Burmese and African Rock pythons colonized Florida, the mammal population has dropped in startling numbers - Bobcats, Raccoons, Oppossums, ......even endangered Florida Panthers are affected .....in Africa/Asia these giant snakes have been reported to eat full grown Leopards at only 13" feet, which is only half-grown for these snakes.

 

[esoxlucius]

Except Alabama (where there are VERY few laws), it is illegal to own a Crocodilian in every state that Alligator mississippiensis is native to.....and a few others.....but very few. Mostly it is regulated by cities,counties or townships or boroughs and whatnot.

Peacock bass wouldn't be an introduced-native if there weren't dozens or hundreds of people who bought them that decided they got too big and released them, like pythons, monitor/tegu lizards, snakeheads, pacus, plecos, etc. The Pleco is actually a serious threat to our West Indian Manatee populations. I have seen them 3 feet long while snorkeling in Florida's natural springs......and since Manatees grow algae , plecos are the equivalent of a parasite.

Since Burmese and African Rock pythons colonized Florida, the mammal population has dropped in startling numbers - Bobcats, Raccoons, Oppossums, ......even endangered Florida Panthers are affected .....in Africa/Asia these giant snakes have been reported to eat full grown Leopards at only 13" feet, which is only half-grown for these snakes.

Jesus, the mind boggles. Think yourselves lucky i suppose, in australia they have the cuddly little cane toad!!!! Now that thing must be the worst example in the history of mankind of introducing a non native species to help clean up a native pest, that went wrong on a stratospheric scale.

 

[Frank Castle]

Jesus, the mind boggles. Think yourselves lucky i suppose, in australia they have the cuddly little cane toad!!!! Now that thing must be the worst example in the history of mankind of introducing a non native species to help clean up a native pest, that went wrong on a stratospheric scale.

I know I totally high-jacked this thread, but as far as the reason for doing it, I have no regrets and can think of no better reason to do so. Bollocks, I stand by it.

 

[krichardson]

The Cane toad has not only ravaged areas in Australia,it has also become something of a scourge in the Carribbean.