teleost;546643; said:
he wasnt gunna keep it. so he really didnt need the room. whats so bad about trying to save a fishes life?
R.I.P Sturgeon
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he wasnt gunna keep it. so he really didnt need the room. whats so bad about trying to save a fishes life?
Sorry about your loss! I think you did the right thing, I don't care what these know it alls say. You like the fish, you tried to save it, and you were gonna try and find it a home! Sturgeon are very hard to keep, I have tried several times with No success. A baby sturgeon would take QUITE a while to out grow a 125, which gives this guy plenty of time to find it a home! GEEZE give the guy a break!
Dont forget that the name of the forum is Monsterfishkeepers . We keep tankbusters not kept by the average fish keeper . That and please keep the dialogue free from attacks,, just let the discussion flow.
i can see both sides in this and from grmanrocks point of view and many others he was doing the right thing which is noble.
however good points were made by the other side but and this is a big but sometimes the way people come across with the info just seems down right rude, educating people whilst being respectfull works a lot better imo, giving people crap for something they did for what they see as a goos reason and with good intention sjust get peoples backs up.
however good points were made by the other side but and this is a big but sometimes the way people come across with the info just seems down right rude, educating people whilst being respectfull works a lot better imo, giving people crap for something they did for what they see as a goos reason and with good intention sjust get peoples backs up.
redtailfool;547134; said:
Just because you keep tankbusters doesn't mean you can do it irresponsibly. This forum should not be promoting people buying/trading/acquiring/"rescuing" fish that they can not handle.
DiXoN;547135; said:
Like the man says, "You can catch a lot more flys with honey than you can with vinegar"
I still say he did the right thing and would agree that the LFS that he bought it from made a bad decision in stocking it in the first place. He is the one that we should be ranting at... not someone who is trying to clean up the mess.
i took a step back and read this post several times in order...... and this came to mind......
the major arguments for me doing the right thing came down to:
1. i had the intention of prolonging the fish's life
2. i would have been able to keep the fish for a while beofre it outgrew my facilitys (not long enuff to be considered long term)
3. i was in the process of finding the fish a home (i had 2 possible cantidates that do indeed have the facitliys to house such a fish)
the major arguments against me were:
1. He bought the fish knowing it would die
2. He didn't have the room for the fish in the first place
3. Unless this fish went to a state run aquarium it was doomed for release or a long and slow death
4. Giving money to LFS for this fish only lines the pockets of the very people that will then sell another sturgeon to a different pet shop sine the first one sold
5. Any release of non native sturgeon would impact native sturgeon in peril
i will now proceed to rip apart the agrument that was "agianst" me rescuing the fish.....
1. i did not buy the fish knowing it would die, i bought the fish indenting to make it live, i, unlike some, was able to accept that the death of the fish was a distinct possiblity, i was not 100 precent sure the fish would die. and my mentality was that if i had nething to do with it the fish would not die (it didnt work out that way)
2. i did and do have room for the fish, i have an empty 20gall robbermaid, a empty 40 gal and an empty 125 that are all waiting to be stocked, at a momnets notice any of those tanks would be filled and filtered, waitng for the fish
3. once again not true..... the fish was not doomed for relase or death, i had 2 cantidates ready to have the fish shipped to them to be kept in their more than adequate facilitys (sterlets only get 2 feet long, honestly its not that hard to keep a 2 foot fish)
4. the shop has and will have no intention to order any more sturgeon, as i previeously stated the fish was a specieal ored that was not picked up, and the store knows me very well as a connesuier of oddballs, in fact the first thing they told me when i walked into the store is that they got peruvian flounder, freshwater stonefish, pbass, and a few sturgeon left, i then questioned them about the sturgeon to determine the situation, these people are not stupid, and i resopect them, they knew what the fish was and what it needed...
5. why would the fish ever be released, i dont recall ever mentioning an intention to realese the fish, and im with u on that 1 , a fish should never be relaese d into the wild, (unless its a private pond/lake and you have consent of the owner and fish and game to do so).
if any of those arguments had proven to be relevent, thebn yes i would have done the "wrong" and "irresponsible" thing, but they wernt and therefore, i did infact do the right thing
my point being that no i couldnt house the fish for life, and no, they shouldnt be in the aquarium trade, but i did no one but me any harm by purchasing and trying to raise the fish.....
no this board doesnt promote of buying fish you cant house, but i do venture to believe that this board does promote bieng an active citizen, by whatever way we can
my final question is this, isnt providing the best enviroments, largest tanks, and overall best accomodartions for our fish being a true ]v[ONSTER FISHKEEPER?
if so then i think that that implies taking action when a fish is in bad conditions, and atemping to rectify those condidions
]v[FK FOREVER!!!
the major arguments for me doing the right thing came down to:
1. i had the intention of prolonging the fish's life
2. i would have been able to keep the fish for a while beofre it outgrew my facilitys (not long enuff to be considered long term)
3. i was in the process of finding the fish a home (i had 2 possible cantidates that do indeed have the facitliys to house such a fish)
the major arguments against me were:
1. He bought the fish knowing it would die
2. He didn't have the room for the fish in the first place
3. Unless this fish went to a state run aquarium it was doomed for release or a long and slow death
4. Giving money to LFS for this fish only lines the pockets of the very people that will then sell another sturgeon to a different pet shop sine the first one sold
5. Any release of non native sturgeon would impact native sturgeon in peril
i will now proceed to rip apart the agrument that was "agianst" me rescuing the fish.....
1. i did not buy the fish knowing it would die, i bought the fish indenting to make it live, i, unlike some, was able to accept that the death of the fish was a distinct possiblity, i was not 100 precent sure the fish would die. and my mentality was that if i had nething to do with it the fish would not die (it didnt work out that way)
2. i did and do have room for the fish, i have an empty 20gall robbermaid, a empty 40 gal and an empty 125 that are all waiting to be stocked, at a momnets notice any of those tanks would be filled and filtered, waitng for the fish
3. once again not true..... the fish was not doomed for relase or death, i had 2 cantidates ready to have the fish shipped to them to be kept in their more than adequate facilitys (sterlets only get 2 feet long, honestly its not that hard to keep a 2 foot fish)
4. the shop has and will have no intention to order any more sturgeon, as i previeously stated the fish was a specieal ored that was not picked up, and the store knows me very well as a connesuier of oddballs, in fact the first thing they told me when i walked into the store is that they got peruvian flounder, freshwater stonefish, pbass, and a few sturgeon left, i then questioned them about the sturgeon to determine the situation, these people are not stupid, and i resopect them, they knew what the fish was and what it needed...
5. why would the fish ever be released, i dont recall ever mentioning an intention to realese the fish, and im with u on that 1 , a fish should never be relaese d into the wild, (unless its a private pond/lake and you have consent of the owner and fish and game to do so).
if any of those arguments had proven to be relevent, thebn yes i would have done the "wrong" and "irresponsible" thing, but they wernt and therefore, i did infact do the right thing
my point being that no i couldnt house the fish for life, and no, they shouldnt be in the aquarium trade, but i did no one but me any harm by purchasing and trying to raise the fish.....
no this board doesnt promote of buying fish you cant house, but i do venture to believe that this board does promote bieng an active citizen, by whatever way we can
my final question is this, isnt providing the best enviroments, largest tanks, and overall best accomodartions for our fish being a true ]v[ONSTER FISHKEEPER?
if so then i think that that implies taking action when a fish is in bad conditions, and atemping to rectify those condidions
]v[FK FOREVER!!!
Just to point this out this site doesnt promote people buying fish that get to big for their tanks. He was stating that most people keep tankbusters not kept by the average fish keeper. meaning that the average fish keeper usually has smaller tanks and our fish would be tankbusters to them. We keep the fish that are tankbusters to them, but we adiquitly house them. We always like to make sure that adiquate housing etc. is there for the proper care of a fish. We dont promote people buying fish and throwing them in a 10gal knowing they are going to get to big for it.drewish;547159;547159 said:
