Ram cichlids

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The tannin suggestion is a highly valid one.
It's not just keeping water pristine that's important for certain specialized species, but also providing some of the key components rams have evolved to live in, over millions of years, that allow them to thriven that natural habitat (not just get by).

It is a common belief that "in breeding" has promoted weak strains in rams, but....a more reasonable theory is that common off kilter water parameters cause stress, and complications, in allowing normally non-lethal bacteria and viruses the opportunity to become problematic.

In nature rams live in very soft, low pH (5-6 (even lower)), water that is stained brown with tannins.
This type water does not agree with many bacteria, viruses and other phages so rams and other soft water species have not needed to evolve immunity to them.
Although Rams have been in the hobby for almost a century, this is only a blip in evolutionary time, and not long enough to allow generations of rams to evolve out of the skills it took millions of years to develop, Those adaptations they have to successfully fit and negotiate their natural environment.

I don't remember what your water parameters are, but unless they are low mineral content (low hardness), pH below 7, so unless they are in that realm, adding tannins might be give a leg up in helping them thrive.
If it were me.....I'd be using either peat moss, Rooibos Tea, or some commercial additive with every water change.
And mixing tap water with collected rain water.
 
I can get some easily enough but because I'm keeping the water as clean as i can would the tannins have time to build up to beneficial levels if i'm doing small daily water changes? Do those leaves leech enough tannins to compensate for my water changes?
Duanes beat me to an answer….but not only beat me to it he included excellent information I wouldn’t have haha

I was just going to say it’s better to use than not use even with excessive water changes.
 
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My delivery of indian almond leaves came today so I've put a couple in the tank, they are surprisingly large! Hopefully their "qualities" will further help in my efforts to give these rams a fighting chance. Thanks for the heads up Niki_up Niki_up .

duanes duanes , you asked about my water hardness. I know it's very soft in my area. My GH and KH readings barely register on the API liquid kit. And just to further confirm my findings, the actual water company report says it's 1.33 hardness Clarke, whatever that means!! Is that a European scale you are familiar with? Also the TDS reading on my tap water was 30ppm last time I measured it, and PH was 7.0. So everything's pointing in the right direction, yes?

Meanwhile, no change on my rams, still very much alive!!
 
My delivery of indian almond leaves came today so I've put a couple in the tank, they are surprisingly large! Hopefully their "qualities" will further help in my efforts to give these rams a fighting chance. Thanks for the heads up Niki_up Niki_up

I'd use more than a few
duanes duanes ,My GH and KH readings barely register on the API liquid kit. And just to further confirm my findings, the actual water company report says it's 1.33 hardness Clarke, whatever that means!! Is that a European scale you are familiar with? Also the TDS reading on my tap water was 30ppm last time I measured it, and PH was 7.0. So everything's pointing in the right direction, yes?
Sounds like great water for rams
 
Now esoxlucius esoxlucius you need to upgrade their tank and go with a bunch of angelfish, Rams, and cardinal tetras!!!

Ahhh, that word...."upgrade", lol. Unfortunately, due to my 360 and 120, my relatively small fish room is pretty much maxed out now, unless I satisfy my MTS with some sort of racking system....."stop it Esox, stop it, cease this madness now, do you want to sleep in the spare bedroom again!"

Can you see my quandary Nik? lol.

Seriously though, no upgrade. Given their current status, although stable for now, realistically my rams are not going to be with me much longer, unless a miraculous recovery unfolds.

However, I absolutely love this little hex tank. It's maturing nicely, and those IAL have given it that moody shadowy look. If my rams do fall one by one I will definitely be looking to keep it as a "splash" from the Amazon.

A small group of the tetra type are probably going to be the way forward for this tank, but i'll cross that bridge if and when I need to.

Loving my rams..........for now!
 
Ahhh, that word...."upgrade", lol. Unfortunately, due to my 360 and 120, my relatively small fish room is pretty much maxed out now, unless I satisfy my MTS with some sort of racking system....."stop it Esox, stop it, cease this madness now, do you want to sleep in the spare bedroom again!"

Can you see my quandary Nik? lol.

Seriously though, no upgrade. Given their current status, although stable for now, realistically my rams are not going to be with me much longer, unless a miraculous recovery unfolds.

However, I absolutely love this little hex tank. It's maturing nicely, and those IAL have given it that moody shadowy look. If my rams do fall one by one I will definitely be looking to keep it as a "splash" from the Amazon.

A small group of the tetra type are probably going to be the way forward for this tank, but i'll cross that bridge if and when I need to.

Loving my rams..........for now!
I was only teasing as I knew you could not upgrade haha

don’t underestimate those little Rams just yet, they may surprise you! Very happy to hear you are enjoying this tank
 
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Latest pic of my ram hex tank. No change with the rams, two of them still have small growths on them, but not getting any worse, fingers crossed.

The "yellowing" of the water due to the almond leaves is very much apparent now. I've also added some floating salvinia, in addition to my java moss. Oh, and I've attached a small spider plant to the java wood just so the roots are in the water, the roots are spreading fast. What with the algae as well, nitrates are barely detectable now. I haven't done a water change for a while.

This tank has a proper natural look to it now it's maturing, I absolutely love it.

Oh, and you may notice some new additions just to finish it off! Pretty obvious what they are. In this picture it looks like the sunlight is shining through the water.

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