Random things dying?? HELP!!

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nonstophoops;4990693; said:
Setup sounds like a good one. Your oxygen levels aren't the problem.

The water quality isn't that simple under compared to air because of the bacteria that inhabits the water. You are removing too much of this beneficial bacteria at once and continually(every week), so your system never has fully stabilized. Also, your water quality is not spoiling that quickly and it is a slow slow gas leak. Why call in the fire department in big suits to tear apart your house to fix a gas leak that isn't an emergency and not leaking enough gas to even harm you.(that is my awful play on your story, but I think it might be effective.) It is possible to do too much of a good thing and actually make it detrimental.

Good forward, start with a 15-20% water change once a week. Keep a log of your test results and see if those water changes are adequate. If not, which I doubt, you can up it a bit and see what happens.

I could see how removing to much BB could be harmful, Maybe that is the problem, I clean my filter every other week though for that reason, But every other time I do a water change I also clean the entire filter so every other time could be when I'm causing the problem. Shouldn't the BB in my Live Rock be enough to allow the tank to fully stabilize? I will reduce the amount of water I change and test to make sure my water quality is still adequate and hopefully that will help.
 
Is your heater running okay? You didn't have any soap or cleanser of some sort on your hands when doing the last WC? Sooo weird, I can't think of anything else it might be :/
 
Yeah heater is working, I rinse my hands really good whenever I'm getting ready to clean my tanks. I'm not gonna say it's not possible but I rinse them for quite awhile after I wash my hands. But if it was some type of chemical or cleaning agent, why would only some fish be affected and only some corals. My other clown, coral beauty angel, and my Lawnmower blanny all seem good, along with my blood shrimp and a few hermits. Thats why I don't think it's something like that. May it is possible though.
 
The amount of beneficial bacteria that are actually suspended in the water is minimal.

I am of the opinion that 90% of the time there is no such thing as too big of an h2o change, as long as it is done in the right way.

When things are bad, I do big water changes. You might shock your corals, but is it better to do one shock, and fix your problems, or is it better to leave them to fester over a longer period of time in whatever is wrong with your tank?

If you are shocking your corals, you would have seen it before this.

Since that hasnt been going on, it is hard for me to believe that the difference in h2o quality was enough to harm fish, but not really the corals.

I think something strange is up. The only thing that was weird is that there was nothing strange h2o quality wise.

Im thinking something must have been introduced to the tank. We still will see what happens, oftentimes corals show symptoms later than other animals in a tnak when things go bad.
 
FLESHY;4992278; said:
The amount of beneficial bacteria that are actually suspended in the water is minimal.

I am of the opinion that 90% of the time there is no such thing as too big of an h2o change, as long as it is done in the right way.

When things are bad, I do big water changes. You might shock your corals, but is it better to do one shock, and fix your problems, or is it better to leave them to fester over a longer period of time in whatever is wrong with your tank?

If you are shocking your corals, you would have seen it before this.

Since that hasnt been going on, it is hard for me to believe that the difference in h2o quality was enough to harm fish, but not really the corals.

I think something strange is up. The only thing that was weird is that there was nothing strange h2o quality wise.

Im thinking something must have been introduced to the tank. We still will see what happens, oftentimes corals show symptoms later than other animals in a tnak when things go bad.

I don't necessarily think that the water changes caused this to happen, but could easily have contributed(especially with the anemone). I am more trying to help him in future and don't have an answer for what happened now.

I still think that doing very large water changes can be dangerous, particularly when not necessary. Like you are saying, it would be better to shock your system once to fix a problem. He wasn't fixing any problem and was (potentially) shocking them weekly, not once.

I agree that he most likely would have seen symptoms from his corals from shocking them before now, but the higher the volume of water you change the more exact the new water should be to the system water. Something like leaving the new water sitting a while longer than normal and allowing it to get too cold just one time could have started or contributed to the problems.
 
The only thing I can think of is maybe something got introduce to the tank. If that was the case wouldn't the little snails die, or my shrimp and the other crabs. Even all the little feather dusters in my sand are still poking out. That's the only thing that is throwing me off. I was thinking that maybe something got in the tank but would it kill all the small stuff first and if not wouldn't both fish have died or at least show signs of sickness? I just hope nothing else dies, and everything will eventually right itself. This is my first SW tank and I have never payed more attention to a tank in my life and for some reason this is the tank that I have had the most problems with as well. I guess I will try to change my maintenance routine and see if that helps. What do you guys use to feed your corals and filter feeders? I use phytoplankton and I'm not exactly sure what the name is of the other stuff because it's in Italian. If you know of some good products that I can start using instead, I will place an order on Dr. fosters, Thanks for all the help you guys have been giving me.
 
Addikted2Cichlids;4992644; said:
The only thing I can think of is maybe something got introduce to the tank. If that was the case wouldn't the little snails die, or my shrimp and the other crabs. Even all the little feather dusters in my sand are still poking out. That's the only thing that is throwing me off. I was thinking that maybe something got in the tank but would it kill all the small stuff first and if not wouldn't both fish have died or at least show signs of sickness? I just hope nothing else dies, and everything will eventually right itself. This is my first SW tank and I have never payed more attention to a tank in my life and for some reason this is the tank that I have had the most problems with as well. I guess I will try to change my maintenance routine and see if that helps. What do you guys use to feed your corals and filter feeders? I use phytoplankton and I'm not exactly sure what the name is of the other stuff because it's in Italian. If you know of some good products that I can start using instead, I will place an order on Dr. fosters, Thanks for all the help you guys have been giving me.

I hope that everything stays alive as well and you don't have any more problems.

Bottled phytoplankton doesn't do a whole lot of good. You can use it, but I would make sure to stay on the light side of recommended dosing. Your corals and filter feeders will get a lot of food through wastes and uneaten food from your fish. I am going to assume the Italian food you are feeding is Lugol's Solution. It is helpful for corals to grow, but again use caution. Overdosing that stuff without testing can cause problems. I may be wrong with my assumption however.

If you are looking for something new I would recommend Cyclopeeze. It is a good size for a variety of corals and stays suspended in the water column for a while so that it can be caught by your corals. Small fish will eat it as well.
 
I bought a mixed powdered food that you were just supposed to mix in with aquarium water.

Dont feed my corals too often, but fosters has the stuff, I forget the name. Dustin and I's reef food is complete, and has cyclopeeze, reef plankton, and my powdered coral food in it.
 
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