shut up. you think you kno everything i kno they dont stay small so shut up and mind ur business i never said what size tank they could go in or anything and dont call me ignorant .im getting tired of people on here thinking they kno everything i dont mind takeing advice but calling peple ignorant aint cool bro all i did was add my opinion with the pics that were given
and you say im ignorant when the biggest ray vendors out there use that term and i never heard of anyone labeling motors or hystrix as teacups
i'm sorry, you're tired of people on here thinking they know stuff about some of the species of fish that they keep? you have 16 posts and joined last month. you cannot possibly have had that many incidents with others on this forum already. if you have, maybe there's a common denominator?
i can guarantee you that i do not know everything, much less everything about rays. what i do know, as do many of the other ray keepers on this forum, is that teacup IS an outdated term, that covers a variety of morphs within the species by local fish stores, shippers, etc. they are there to make money, and don't always know very much about the stock they are selling. often times a store owner will see "stingray" on the list and be like "ooh, i could sell those!" without doing any real research on them. their job is to get the stock in and sell it out as quickly as possible. most times when you go to petstores, whether LFS or big box pet stores, they often can't give you proper info on the fish stock they have.
there are multiple LFS and big box stores around southern ontario that have brought in "teacups" that have not been retics. the one in my town alone had motoros, orbs and retics all in the same tank, selling them at the same price as "teacups". obviously these are not the same morphs and their sizes vary, and quite a bit.
the only morphs you won't see termed as teacup are the expensive and harder to obtain morphs. you'll never hear someone call a black ray a teacup. why? because they KNOW those are the big ticket items, not the bottom of the barrel, run of the mill morphs. anyone can get a motoro. it's the most easily obtained morph of ray in the hobby/industry. and yes, they HAVE been mislabeled as teacups.
what i don't get is that you come in here, acting like you are the end-all be-all on stingray knowledge, citing that teacup is a valid stingray type, and yet you can't even type in a correct response, misspelling, lack of any punctuation and making your multiple sentences train wreck into one another like a lazy teenager that can't be bothered. after all of that, you go after warren to defend your vast teacup knowledge and then me.
we are here to educate and learn, not to jam incorrect terms down others' throats and give misinformation.
p.s. i'm not your "bro".
Looks like an orbignyi to me with the eyebrow markings. Nice pattern though. Who knows what it will look like when it grows up so keep it and enjoy long term.
By the way I have seen many different rays come in as teacup rays, orbs, retics, yepezi, motoros, and castexi. I am sure if I have seen these then others are possible too. Fact is that many of these dealers are less educated about what something is then we are. We love this stuff, they love making money off this stuff. They take what it is sold to them as................ and they pass it along with the same name. I get much of my stuff from one of the largest wholesalers in the south and there is constantly misidentified stuff. Sometimes in my favor, sometimes in theirs, most the time it is a wash. Bottom line we need better ids on all of these fish and the only way that is done is with real scientists discovering where the species lines are drawn and making reliable id books and papers for all of us. Sorry for the derail but fact is we all need to check our egos at the door. You know how you know someone is an expert. It's when they tell you they don't know everything.
thank you coyote.
sorry for the derailment. regardless of what type it is, it is a beautiful specimen. congrats with your ray!
