Recent rescape causing havoc

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I haven't started this thread because I'm looking for advice, or I've got tank problems which I haven't got a clue about, no. I've got a major problem in my 180g com tank and i know exactly what's causing it. I've started this thread to highlight the potential problems that can arise after messing with your system. If it just makes a handful of people more aware then the thread's been worthwhile. Here goes, I apologise in advance for the length....

Rewind 3 weeks or so...

My heavily stocked 180g com tank had a bare bottom. I had a powerhead in there that came on for one hour intervals several times per day. This made sure that any uneaten food, fish pooh, decaying plant bits etc etc all got flushed to the end of the tank where my out take was. All the crud then got caught by filter floss down in my sump, which was replaced regularly. In short I was taking out any nitrate producing waste before it could become a problem. As a result of this my water change schedule was 80% every four days, nitrate on water change day was steady at 20ppm ish. I was happy with this.

Then I did a complete rescape. In short, I set an area aside (about 50% of the footprint, the other 50% remained bare bottom) of 2" gravel penned in by a small stone wall. The idea was to let my val take over the gravelled area. I already had some well established val in pots which I planted and within a week the runners were out and new shoots were poking out. Great, my plan was working nicely. In the meantime I carried on with my once every four day water change schedule. This, it turns out, was a major error on my part.

Fast forward to present day...

Last week I did a random nitrate check before a water change, and it was off the scale!!! I was horrified, wondered what the hell was going on. I checked dates on test bottles, battered them to shake contents, rewashed vials, everything. And still, after three more tests, each one was well over 100ppm. Then I started thinking about what could be happening and I soon came up with the answer....

To prevent the flow of water from my powerhead from rushing over my gravel and potentially uprooting my val, I had it aimed away from the gravelled area and aimed it just on the bare bottom part. This simply allowed debris to sink onto the gravel and break down and decay undisturbed. I wasn't vacuuming the gravel either because I didn't want to disturb the runners and new shoots. And therein lies the cause of my huge nitrate build up. I had created a huge nitrate factory in my gravel. I "recalibrated" my water change schedule to keep my nitrates at about 20ppm again and I now have to do my 80% water change every TWO days, instead of my original every four days.

My hope...

That gradually over the coming weeks my val becomes so established that it's vast and hungry root system starts to suck all the nitrate out of my gravel and that a new balance is reached. Here's hoping.

This has been a huge learning curve and just goes to show how fragile the eco system can be in our aquariums. Thanks for reading.
 
Oh no that sounds terrible, I hope for you sake and sanity that it does recalibrate it’s self to something more normal like your every 4 day water changes.

Hopefully you have no lost any fish with this new spike of nitrates.

I will be following for updates!
 
I haven't started this thread because I'm looking for advice, or I've got tank problems which I haven't got a clue about, no. I've got a major problem in my 180g com tank and i know exactly what's causing it. I've started this thread to highlight the potential problems that can arise after messing with your system. If it just makes a handful of people more aware then the thread's been worthwhile. Here goes, I apologise in advance for the length....

Rewind 3 weeks or so...

My heavily stocked 180g com tank had a bare bottom. I had a powerhead in there that came on for one hour intervals several times per day. This made sure that any uneaten food, fish pooh, decaying plant bits etc etc all got flushed to the end of the tank where my out take was. All the crud then got caught by filter floss down in my sump, which was replaced regularly. In short I was taking out any nitrate producing waste before it could become a problem. As a result of this my water change schedule was 80% every four days, nitrate on water change day was steady at 20ppm ish. I was happy with this.

Then I did a complete rescape. In short, I set an area aside (about 50% of the footprint, the other 50% remained bare bottom) of 2" gravel penned in by a small stone wall. The idea was to let my val take over the gravelled area. I already had some well established val in pots which I planted and within a week the runners were out and new shoots were poking out. Great, my plan was working nicely. In the meantime I carried on with my once every four day water change schedule. This, it turns out, was a major error on my part.

Fast forward to present day...

Last week I did a random nitrate check before a water change, and it was off the scale!!! I was horrified, wondered what the hell was going on. I checked dates on test bottles, battered them to shake contents, rewashed vials, everything. And still, after three more tests, each one was well over 100ppm. Then I started thinking about what could be happening and I soon came up with the answer....

To prevent the flow of water from my powerhead from rushing over my gravel and potentially uprooting my val, I had it aimed away from the gravelled area and aimed it just on the bare bottom part. This simply allowed debris to sink onto the gravel and break down and decay undisturbed. I wasn't vacuuming the gravel either because I didn't want to disturb the runners and new shoots. And therein lies the cause of my huge nitrate build up. I had created a huge nitrate factory in my gravel. I "recalibrated" my water change schedule to keep my nitrates at about 20ppm again and I now have to do my 80% water change every TWO days, instead of my original every four days.

My hope...

That gradually over the coming weeks my val becomes so established that it's vast and hungry root system starts to suck all the nitrate out of my gravel and that a new balance is reached. Here's hoping.

This has been a huge learning curve and just goes to show how fragile the eco system can be in our aquariums. Thanks for reading.

Great that you have experience and figured out the Nitrate issue. Thanks for sharing
 
I see that you are a follower of the same mantra that I subscribe to: If it ain't broke...then break it! :)

It's a pain, for sure, but not the end of the world. Hopefully your Val will take off and you can start removing nitrates that way, i.e. by pulling out handfuls of green plant matter.

Now, as to the style of the thread: Just what do you think you are doing here? The standard methodology is to completely capitalize the entire thread title, usually starting it with the word HELP! and with no less than 7 or 8 exclamation points at the end.

I suggest you carefully read the forum rules before posting again in this unsatisfactory, non-sensationalistic and totally drama-free manner. Thank you.
 
I see that you are a follower of the same mantra that I subscribe to: If it ain't broke...then break it! :)

It's a pain, for sure, but not the end of the world. Hopefully your Val will take off and you can start removing nitrates that way, i.e. by pulling out handfuls of green plant matter.

Now, as to the style of the thread: Just what do you think you are doing here? The standard methodology is to completely capitalize the entire thread title, usually starting it with the word HELP! and with no less than 7 or 8 exclamation points at the end.

I suggest you carefully read the forum rules before posting again in this unsatisfactory, non-sensationalistic and totally drama-free manner. Thank you.

Lol, drama free? I don't know about that. When I saw that first test vial turn deep burgundy I squealed like a little girl and ran around for five minutes with my head in my hands. And when the second one did the same I shrieked again!
 
Not trying to insult you but did this not come to mind beforehand? It would seem as though when you go from 0 to 100 one would consider the changes that could occur from the change.
 
Not trying to insult you but did this not come to mind beforehand? It would seem as though when you go from 0 to 100 one would consider the changes that could occur from the change.

Thinking about the recriminations from your actions is for sensible people. Me? I'm a bit of a wild child, I live life by the seat of my breeches, totally rad and off the cuff man, lol.

I'm getting a peculiar feeling of dèjà vu here actually. Ah, I remember now, let me explain. When I first started making my home made wine it was a while before I got the water addition just right to my wife's preferred strength. I'll never forget one of my earlier attempts, I woke up one morning and the other side of the bed was empty, where was my wife I thought. I went downstairs and there she was, dishevelled and asleep on the kitchen floor in a stale pool of her own vomit, like a dirty old tramp!

I woke her up and she looked up at me bleary eyed and said to me, "I think that batch is a bit strong love, I couldn't feel my legs after 2 glasses".

I went on my wine making forum and some dude said to me something like, "well what did you expect messing about with the formulation". It wasn't you was it fishhead0103666 fishhead0103666

Seriously though pal, you are right, and yes I should have put a bit more thought into the effect the changes would have. The critical point I completely overlooked was the detrimental effect that detritus resting on the gravel would eventually have, especially since I wasn't vacuuming it either.

Best thing is, no fish casualties, and i've got it all dialled in now. It's a happy ending, just twice as much work doing water changes. Lol.

Oh, and for those of you wondering how my wife is. She's fine, she manages to make it to bed these days. :thumbsup:
 
Thats pretty crazy, just a small change to the powerhead and gravel can cause such a quick jump. Hopefully once the plants are grown it will take care of itself. Maybe you could drop some floating plants in there too?
Its also pretty crazy you nearly killed your wife with alcohol poisoning too but thats another story.........
 
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Man, I just finished high school and you’re using big words I don’t know and have to google :nilly:. On a more serious note it is good that both your tanks and your wife came out good in the end. Also there could have been a market for wine that strong, perhaps in America.
 
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