RED ALERT!!! Prepare to FIGHT!
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In South Africa, where I'm from, we have nine provinces and all governed by their local nature conservation. All nine provinces have different rules and regulations on keeping wild/dangerous animals. For example: I'm from the western cape and require a holding permit and transport permit for any reptile from exotic to local species and all of us reptile collector's and breeder's are carefully monitored and regulated by the local conservation authority's. Western cape has adopted the Florida "system" in that certain species of lizard, like iguana's aren't allowed to be kept here as they are classed as invasive.
In Kwa-Zulu Natal its a free market and it doesn't matter what reptile is been kept no permits are required and the breeders/collector's are not monitored at all except on international exports and imports.
My personal view on our permit system is that it disencourages novice, keen, young and old reptile keepers by putting up so much red tape that it in fact encourages people to trade freely and hope like hell that they don't get caught.
I totally agree with the statements on keeping cats, dogs, fish and all the other animals that are kept, some in good reliable homes and others in appauling conditions, but thats where all of us responsible pet/animal owners come into play to report, stop, advise such characters from keeping animals in poor conditions.
But back to the topic, the state should rather be encouraging people to trade properly than restrict a breeder/collector from his/her trade as this will just encourage more people to collect wild caught reptiles with huge effects on wild populations.
Think I've said enough.
In Kwa-Zulu Natal its a free market and it doesn't matter what reptile is been kept no permits are required and the breeders/collector's are not monitored at all except on international exports and imports.
My personal view on our permit system is that it disencourages novice, keen, young and old reptile keepers by putting up so much red tape that it in fact encourages people to trade freely and hope like hell that they don't get caught.
I totally agree with the statements on keeping cats, dogs, fish and all the other animals that are kept, some in good reliable homes and others in appauling conditions, but thats where all of us responsible pet/animal owners come into play to report, stop, advise such characters from keeping animals in poor conditions.
But back to the topic, the state should rather be encouraging people to trade properly than restrict a breeder/collector from his/her trade as this will just encourage more people to collect wild caught reptiles with huge effects on wild populations.
Think I've said enough.
I think the government is getting a little too involved with these things. Granted the average Joe shouldn't be allowed to make impulse buys with these kind of animals (and a long list of others), so I'm not really against needing permits, licensing, etc for certain animals... but trying to stop the transport and importation outright? C'mon, get real. If someone wants the animal, can buy, house and care for it probably, why the hell should a 3rd party get involved and limit/stop that? The time and energy is better spent elsewhere... how about stopping the pet shop near my house that sells "blind goldfish", a process that takes normal, healthy fish and removes their eyes to make a new sellable item. I mean, doesn't going after animal cruelty seem like a better way to spend money, rather than hindering a hobby and economic income for half-dozen ass backwards reasons? ...I don't know, it's all stupid to me. I can understand making restrictions in problem areas, but blanket laws really annoy me.
black_sun;5029828; said:
the problem is regulations dont stop. they will never keep it simple and stop at a simple permit. first the permit will be easy to get. then harder and harder. now you need two permits for certain species. Now you cant get species A on permit A you need permit AB, and you need to prove why you need species A. What is that? you want it to keep for a hobby?? Sry that isnt on the list of reasons you can keep species A.
You want a permit for species C? You need 1 year at an accredited facility working with any snake that you need permit C for, and now you can get it. Now 2 years. Now 4. Now you need 2 years working with JUST that species of snake to get that permit. Want species CA?? 2 more years working with that exact species. CB?? 2 more years working with that exact species.
Do i really have to go on??
A. gigas;5030989; said:
You just made me notice a horrible typo in my previous response that I don't even feel like editing now because it's already been quoted twice. Permanent grammatical failure. XD
Lepisosteus platyrhincus;5031227; said:
They need to start from scratch then and just make things as set in stone as they can and stick with it. I mean, things are eventually going to need to change because circumstances are going to change, nothing stays the same. But create a process, a list, a few lists, set rules and stick with them as much as possible without adding fourteen million changes, regulations, etc on the fly. I get that it's annoying, ass-backwards, etc... my own state is known for it on all levels (not just animals). But truthfully, I'd rather have people go through hoops to prove why they want a certain species, prove that they know what their doing, etc rather than just be able to get an animal on a whim and have no idea what they're getting themselves or anyone around them into.
There's middle ground between having no regulations, no third party say whatsoever and trying to make things as asinine and complicated as they're trying to. I don't think either method or POV is correct or can be, but that's just me. And at the end of the day, given the two options, I'm going for no government involvement if I have to.
The Burmese python grow extremely slow, have a very low survival rate, and maybe eat 8-9 meals a YEAR in the wild.
Vs.
The multitude of invasive aquarium fish in Florida, from oscars to peacock bass to snakeheads.
I believe there's over 30 invasive fish species in Florida compared to the one, maybe two, invasive snake species in the Florida. Which group really posses a larger threat to the ecosystem? Because I'm sure no one here wants their tropcal fish banned just because they can live in a subtropical climate like Florida but could never survive outside of that.
Vs.
The multitude of invasive aquarium fish in Florida, from oscars to peacock bass to snakeheads.
I believe there's over 30 invasive fish species in Florida compared to the one, maybe two, invasive snake species in the Florida. Which group really posses a larger threat to the ecosystem? Because I'm sure no one here wants their tropcal fish banned just because they can live in a subtropical climate like Florida but could never survive outside of that.
