Red Diamond aka Kamfamalau

[RD.]

It came from a Thai breeder, sold as a Red Diamond.
Beyond that, I have no idea what it is, or isn't?

 

[BIG_ONE]

It came from a Thai breeder, sold as a Red Diamond.
Beyond that, I have no idea what it is, or isn't?

I am not too familiar with Red Diamond, not sure if its a marketing term or if its a new strain. You should send a PM to Lucky on Flowerhorncraze. He is the best of the best out there when it comes to flowerhorns in general.

 

[RD.]

I would imagine it's just a marketing term.
On a Singapore forum they referred to this fish as a Cencumalau.
I had never even heard that name before.

 

[FishingOut]

Kamfamalau is just a Kamfa and a Kamalau/GM. Tan King is straight up Vietnamese Kamfa. Not sure of what is the fertility rate with Tan King and I highly doubt this fish have any TK in it(flowerlines and pearls doesn't determine it being a TK, it's the overall of the fish itself), but all I know is that King Diamond have the highest fertile rate compare to all other Kamfa(but no where close to a GM or ZZ fertility rate). From my understanding, KD is just a Kamfa from Thailand mixed with Tan King.
FYI - A Kamfa and another Kamfa is most likely unable to breed. Even if both male and female is fertile, for some reason the genetic just isn't compatable.

So its only called a Tan king when its made in Vietnam? It was made by crossing ZZ x Kamfa.
This fish has good ZZ pearling and fins with Kamfa structor and flowerline. Its a quality cross between ZZ and Kamfa, So how could it be anything but a tan king?
I think these "trademark" names are a thing of the past because people arnt buying 10 fish worth $100,000 anymore. They should be ID'ed by their traits, not the breeder.

 

[BIG_ONE]

I would imagine it's just a marketing term.
On a Singapore forum they referred to this fish as a Cencumalau.
I had never even heard that name before.

Cencumalau aka Royal Monkey Pearls. It is still a GM/Kamalau base fish, nothing more but a GM with much more pearls. Much like Kamfa and King Kamfa. This is what I know with Cencumalau so far. And yes these are Thai bred fish.

 

[BIG_ONE]

So its only called a Tan king when its made in Vietnam? It was made by crossing ZZ x Kamfa.
This fish has good ZZ pearling and fins with Kamfa structor and flowerline. Its a quality cross between ZZ and Kamfa, So how could it be anything but a tan king?
I think these "trademark" names are a thing of the past because people arnt buying 10 fish worth $100,000 anymore. They should be ID'ed by their traits, not the breeder.

There is a specific satisfaction into considering that fish to be a TK. Any Kamfa can be bred in Vietnam and they would not dare to call it a Kamfa. Much like Kamfa from Thailand and the ones from Malay. Or Kamalau from Malay and the ones from Thailand. Each have their own standard in need to be considered as certain specific group of fish.
So if you were to mix a Kamfa with a ZZ, you can't call it a TK at all just yet. It would just be ZZKamfa. If you were to compare it with all legit TK or at least partial true TK, a ZZ x Kamfa is nothing close to it.

 

[RD.]

So what makes up a cencumalau? GM x ?

 

[RD.]

Each have their own standard in need to be considered as certain specific group of fish.

This is just my opinion, so please don't take any offense, but IMHO this again is nothing more than marketing on the part of breeders. Placing a "brand name" on a cross between a male ZZ, and a female kamfa, doesn't change the genetic make up, no matter if you call it a Tan King, a Kan Ting, or a Tin Kan. Bottom line, same fish, and fish being fish the outcome of those breedings will vary, and of course can also vary depending on how each breeder chooses to line breed to strengthen certain traits they personally like to see in their fish.

This is exactly why I never get too worked up over the name game.

There's a saying with Asian aro, "buy the fish, not the cert."
Certificate/name always look & sound amazing, yet the fish could end up looking nothing more than mediocre.

 

[BIG_ONE]

So what makes up a cencumalau? GM x ?

To be honest, I have no real answer to that. Lucky is probably the best person to ask at this point.

 

[BIG_ONE]

This is just my opinion, so please don't take any offense, but IMHO this again is nothing more than marketing on the part of breeders. Placing a "brand name" on a cross between a male ZZ, and a female kamfa, doesn't change the genetic make up, no matter if you call it a Tan King, a Kan Ting, or a Tin Kan. Bottom line, same fish, and fish being fish the outcome of those breedings will vary, and of course can also vary depending on how each breeder chooses to line breed to strengthen certain traits they personally like to see in their fish.

This is exactly why I never get too worked up over the name game.

There's a saying with Asian aro, "buy the fish, not the cert."
Certificate/name always look & sound amazing, yet the fish could end up looking nothing more than mediocre.

I will admit that I agree with you on here. I careless with the name game also, I only go by what I like. Some people take the name game into a whole new level because it's that certain name of fish that has their desirable liking.
This is my liking; Thick worm pearls, strong wrapped tail, the bigger the nuchal hump the more I like it, 2 tone color(preferably Red/Yellow) or other unique 2 tone color(3 tone if possible but very rare out there), as thick of a flowerlines I can find, thick and stocky square/rectangle body, and something else that is nothing coming to my mind.
But I will tell you one thing, even if it is the best fish I have ever seen in my life. If it has a weak tail, I will not buy it regardless. Tail is always the #1 thing I look at first.