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The others died because they got bloat from being fed NLS pellets.

I hope that no one reading that comment actually believes it had anything to do with feeding NLS. There are scores of reasons that a fish can come down with gastrointestinal issues, but feeding them NLS certainly isn't one of them. I've fed NLS (exclusively) to RT's that were right off the boat from Singapore, with no issues whatsoever. Those fish had most likely never even seen a pellet food before. Ditto to FH's imported from Thailand. No bloat, no problems.

I'm sorry to hear that you lost some of your juvies, but their diet wasn't the cause.
 
They look good, I also have 13 from Chris patting NLS without a problem. Keep up the good work. Tank size isn't a problem, I have mine (1"-1 1/2") in a 10g for now, this helps distribute aggression a lot easier and I can control feeding easier. But I will be moving them soon.
 
All I know is they got bloat when I used NLS and didn't get bloat when I stopped using it and went to exclusive spirulena flakes. Different fish, different experiences.
 
...... from Ad Konings book; Back to Nature Guide to Malawi Cichlids 2nd. edition pg. 46:

"Malawi Bloat is believed to be caused by a flagellate (a unicellular animal, a protozoan). This flagellate occurs in the intestines of all Malawi cichlids but normally causes no harm since the fish's immune system can cope with it. However, in a stressful situation such a balance may disappear and the fish may lose its resistance against an outbreak of a flagellate "attack". This often leads to bloat."


Ad Konings view is one that is shared amongst most scientists & researchers that work in the field of aquatic disease.

Bloat is nothing more than a "symptom", to which there could potentially be scores of underlying causes. The shipping alone could have been enough to push some of these fish over the edge.

Most of the pathogens found in aquaria can co-exist in harmony with fish, it's typically only under stressful conditions, when a fishes immune system becomes compromised when these protozoans gain the upper hand and become pathogenic. If those flagellates (such as hexamita/spironucleus) enter the abdominal cavity, then travel via the blood to organs - typically you have a very short window of opportunuity before the organs shut down, and the fish "bloats" up.

Clinical signs of fishes infected by diplomonad flagellates vary from no clinical signs (Mo et al., 1990) to severe symptoms (Kent et al., 1992). Infected salmonids and aquarium fishes may show clinical signs of anorexia, anemia, emaciation, lethargy, hyperpigmentation, fecal pseudocasts, enteritis with excess mucus and yellow watery or jelly-like contents or swollen abdomen (Ferguson and Moccia, 1980; Kent et al., 1992; McElwain, 1968; Mo et al., 1990;

The very fact that Honda got some of these exact same fish, from the same breeder, and has been feeding NLS with no absolutely issues, clearly proves that your fish did not become ill due to their diet.
 
fishincube;4262006; said:
Rarely many people need to change their water every other day, I don't. Giving the minimum space allowance should let you get away from doing extra water changes.
If you want young fish to grow out fast you should do lots of water changes for two reasons.
1. Heavy feeding pollutes the water faster.
2. Baby fish make a hormone that keeps the other babies from growing. Heavy water change routine dilutes the hormone levels in an aquarium.
 
RD ~ Good read, thank you. Still not going to feed NLS from that container though. Even if it had nothing to do with it, it still makes me nervous.

CichofitAll ~ Thanks, forgot to mention those reasons. That last one is annoying to say the least. :nilly:
 
1. I asked why Peanut_Power let them kill each others, because you only mentioned at least 1 of them was eaten.
2. Devder1 jumped in and accused of insulting Peanut_Power.
3. I explained to Devder1 that I wasn't accusing Peanut_Power.
4. Peanut_Power them jumped in to say I am not talking friendly.

May be I should know the whole story about these two instead before reading their threads.
 
I started ask question with only 1 intention, which is to find out the true reason that caused of 13 RTs dead, it should be a good lesson to be learned for most of the MFK readers. At this point, no clear answer yet.

So, let forget about all the arguments, and asked why:

1. NLS pellet?
2. Tank size too small?
3. Bloat (not because of NLS) ?
4. Aggression?
5. Other dead cause?
 
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