Regular shaped blood parrots vs normal mouth BP

[izzy_here]

Bp, kkp, and possibly skkp, can all come from the same spawn. I've never noticed either sex being more likely to have the infamous notched head.
Midas X synspila is the not so secret formula to making parrots, some folks think there's more steps than that, but I'm just not buying it. Why does there need to be more than just that first intermediary cross? Many people cite the large numbers of parrots being available as the reason, that there just has to be a more reliable method to produce so many parrots, after all, you only get get so many parrots per syn X midas spawn. I personally just don't think that's proof that more extensive line breeding is being done to create them. Why would you have to bother? Parrots (of any type) go for much more money than a pure bred cichlid of similar size, therefore any parrots you'd get from a syn X midas spawn would be well worth it.

 

[Rafini]

Bp, kkp, and possibly skkp, can all come from the same spawn. I've never noticed either sex being more likely to have the infamous notched head.
Midas X synspila is the not so secret formula to making parrots, some folks think there's more steps than that, but I'm just not buying it. Why does there need to be more than just that first intermediary cross? Many people cite the large numbers of parrots being available as the reason, that there just has to be a more reliable method to produce so many parrots, after all, you only get get so many parrots per syn X midas spawn. I personally just don't think that's proof that more extensive line breeding is being done to create them. Why would you have to bother? Parrots (of any type) go for much more money than a pure bred cichlid of similar size, therefore any parrots you'd get from a syn X midas spawn would be well worth it.

I Heard that they line breed the midas x redhead best round fry with one of the parents. After all the females are all fertile so You could technically breed even generation 10 female BP's.

Youre right though, its not a secret anymore and I am pretty positive they all come from the same batch, I mean the 3 I got are all from the same batch. I have one really red and orange one, one really yellow one. and one thats yellow but has a regular midas face. The midas faced one has the same kinda face as my short body texas, and was the only one in the batch. the red one was also the only one with red in the batch, so I got one common one, and two unique ones from the batch of about 20.

lemme grab some pics to show the differences.

Red one

Regular one

one with the normal mouth

this last one doesnt have a notch, and has a regular mouth. all are from the same batch though

 

[izzy_here]

I Heard that they line breed the midas x redhead best round fry with one of the parents. After all the females are all fertile so You could technically breed even generation 10 female BP's.

Youre right though, its not a secret anymore and I am pretty positive they all come from the same batch, I mean the 3 I got are all from the same batch. I have one really red and orange one, one really yellow one. and one thats yellow but has a regular midas face. The midas faced one has the same kinda face as my short body texas, and was the only one in the batch. the red one was also the only one with red in the batch, so I got one common one, and two unique ones from the batch of about 20.

lemme grab some pics to show the differences.

Red one

Regular one

one with the normal mouth

this last one doesnt have a notch, and has a regular mouth. all are from the same batch though

I've also heard that more line breeding is involved, but if they bred a 50/50 midas x syn back to either parent that would create a fish that was 75% pure bred, in my opinion those 75% pure males would be fertile. Which isn't the case with male parrots.
As you observed, you'll get several types from one spawn. Search fish farms on youtube and tell me that sorting through an entire pond full of fish isn't possible. They do it all the time. So again I say, plenty of parrots on the market does not necessarily prove there's more complicated line breeding going on.

 

[Rafini]

I've also heard that more line breeding is involved, but if they bred a 50/50 midas x syn back to either parent that would create a fish that was 75% pure bred, in my opinion those 75% pure males would be fertile. Which isn't the case with male parrots.
As you observed, you'll get several types from one spawn. Search fish farms on youtube and tell me that sorting through an entire pond full of fish isn't possible. They do it all the time. So again I say, plenty of parrots on the market does not necessarily prove there's more complicated line breeding going on.

I never thought of it like that, youre absolutely correct though... if they were that pure the males would be fertile. Also Kamfa FH are half Vieja and the males are usually infertile. It might be a Vieja x Amphilophus trait. But I agree for sure that they aren`t 75% pure bred.

 

[izzy_here]

I never thought of it like that, youre absolutely correct though... if they were that pure the males would be fertile. Also Kamfa FH are half Vieja and the males are usually infertile. It might be a Vieja x Amphilophus trait. But I agree for sure that they aren`t 75% pure bred.

Something off topic to ponder... I've found two separate accounts (on a different forum) of a male syn X female red texas producing fertile male fry. At least one of the females was an unfaded rt. The only way that's possible is if the rt had some syn blood from it's bp/kkp/skkp mother or grandmother. I'd be willing to bet those rt's were 25%-50% syn, that would make the resulting fry 62.5%-75% syn. In my opinion this is the range at which you start consistently producing fertile male fry. Of course some species break the rules (convicts), and can produce fertile male fry at 50% purity with various fairly unrelated species.
Some, like Amphilophus, are so closely related they're interfertile, and can be counted as one species in your percentage. I'm not sure if it works like that with vieja, possibly some vieja species are interfertile, but I don't think it's as common as it is between Amphilophus species.

 

[Rafini]

Thats very interesting, sounds like your percentages do indicate some kind of relation... Ive never seen a live red texas so until they become available outside of USA and asia readily I can`t test these theories lol.

Ive seen the offspring numerous times of midas and Syn and they always come out as varying degree of "Parrotness" so I`m certain thats what they are, but you do always hear it being thrown around that "there are some fertile male BP out there" but I have yet to find any evidence that there has ever been any fertile male parrots... seems like a myth.

Growing out 2 of these beauties with my BP`s

Looks like I may have a male and female, both really nice blue coloring. I would LOVE to pair up one of these SB carptintis with a BP. the resulting fry would all mostly have the short body, so I might get some awesome Hybrids.

 

[izzy_here]

Thats very interesting, sounds like your percentages do indicate some kind of relation... Ive never seen a live red texas so until they become available outside of USA and asia readily I can`t test these theories lol.

Ive seen the offspring numerous times of midas and Syn and they always come out as varying degree of "Parrotness" so I`m certain thats what they are, but you do always hear it being thrown around that "there are some fertile male BP out there" but I have yet to find any evidence that there has ever been any fertile male parrots... seems like a myth.

Growing out 2 of these beauties with my BP`s

Looks like I may have a male and female, both really nice blue coloring. I would LOVE to pair up one of these SB carptintis with a BP. the resulting fry would all mostly have the short body, so I might get some awesome Hybrids.

Nice, I once created a strain by crossing something very similar to a pure H. carpintis "Escondido" I selectively bred them through 3 generations, all chosen for the same shape as your pic.

 

[Rafini]

Nice, I once created a strain by crossing something very similar to a pure H. carpintis "Escondido" I selectively bred them through 3 generations, all chosen for the same shape as your pic.

Nice, if you sold any of them to retail in Canada I may have your babies, I have a lot of hope for these texas they show great potential. the smaller one I think is blind in one eye though

 

[cjbarth]

There are Red Texas in Canada..in fact a MFK member has them in vancouver...i know cuz I sold them to him!! Sure he took them across the boarder in WA state..and he had RT stock before he got a hold of mine.

Thats very interesting, sounds like your percentages do indicate some kind of relation... Ive never seen a live red texas so until they become available outside of USA and asia readily I can`t test these theories lol.

Ive seen the offspring numerous times of midas and Syn and they always come out as varying degree of "Parrotness" so I`m certain thats what they are, but you do always hear it being thrown around that "there are some fertile male BP out there" but I have yet to find any evidence that there has ever been any fertile male parrots... seems like a myth.

Growing out 2 of these beauties with my BP`s

Looks like I may have a male and female, both really nice blue coloring. I would LOVE to pair up one of these SB carptintis with a BP. the resulting fry would all mostly have the short body, so I might get some awesome Hybrids.

 

[Rafini]

There are Red Texas in Canada..in fact a MFK member has them in vancouver...i know cuz I sold them to him!! Sure he took them across the boarder in WA state..and he had RT stock before he got a hold of mine.

Vancouver has lots of sweet stuff cause they get the best asian imports. East canada sometimes gets some nice stuff too, I have never seen red texas available in Calgary. theyre awesome fish but I wouldn`t bother paying for shipping for one when they will inevitably show up at some point around here.