RESTRICTED SPECIES LISTS BY STATE Feedback Thread

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N-E CICHLIDS;636342; said:
Restricted species are not the same as Banned species. You can have certain types of restricted species. For example in Florida all boney tongued fish are illegal, However you can have and sell Silver Arowanas in florida. Just because they are restricted in your state dosen't mean you can't have certain types of the species.

You cannot possess species on your state's restricted list without a permit. Otherwise, there wouldn't be much sense in promulgating a list in the first place. And, depending on the species you wish to maintain, a permit may require a pre-inspection of the holding facility and periodic spot inspections. (These inspections are charged to the permit holder).
 
Sorry oddball. I think you are getting confused as to my answer to the question. The question was In California, why are LFS selling fish that are on the restricted species list. I am sure that every state defines their law differently. In the state of Florida, the list is classified into species as general. You have to read more in depths into the law. There are many kinds of fish that fall into a species. For example one species that is restricted in Florida is Boney Tongued Fish. That is a species of Fish not a single type of fish. One type of BTF are the Arowanas. The only Arowana you are allowed to have in Florida Without a Permit is the silver Arowana. You can go to any LFS in florida and buy them without a permit. Now in order to have a Black Arowana in Florida yes you need to have a permit to posess a restricted species. If you posess that permit you can have and sell them in Florida only to people who posess the same permit. I can not sell a BA to anyone off the street in Florida. So no you do not need a permit to sell or own a fish in the restricted species list. You have to contact your state government to find out what fish you can have without a permit. If a species is on the banned list you can not have any fish that falls in that species. You will not get a permit to posess a banned species. His question was not asking about permits, it was why are LFS selling restricted species in CA. 99% of LFS will not carry a restricted species permit because they are to cheap to pay, not to mention they are monitored by th FWC. A LFS main job is to get fish in get them out. You limit your customers when you sell restricted fish.
 
I'm not addressing the CA issue. I'm addressing the verbage you're using in your explanation. Sorry but you're confusing Order with Species.

Class: Actinopterygii (ray-finned fishes)
Order: Osteoglossiformes (bony tongues)
Family: Osteoglossidae (Arowanas)
Genus: Osteoglossum
Species: bicirrhosum

In Florida, the Order Osteoglossiformes is on the Restricted list. That means that all Genus' and Species within the order are restricted and require a permit to possess in that state. That includes:

Arapaima gigas
Osteoglossum bicirrhosum and ferrarri
Scleropages formosus (and all recent variants), jardini, and leichardti
Heterotis niloticus
 
so is that why it says cichlids are illeagle in california?
 
one of the employes at my lfs said he would order pirahnas for me if i wanted. there illeagle arnt they
 
patricio;640989; said:
so is that why it says cichlids are illeagle in california?

is what "why"? Whoever said cichlids were illegal in CA?

(O) Family Cichlidae - Cichlids

1. Tilapia sparrmani (Banded Tilapia) (D).

2. Tilapia zilli (Redbelly tilapia) (D), except permits may be issued to a person or agency for importation, transportation, or possession in the counties of San Bernardino, Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside, San Diego, and Imperial.

3. Tilapia aurea (Blue tilapia) (D).

4. Tilapia nilotica (Nile tilapia) (D).

Under Section O is the FAMILY Cichlidae. Look below the Section to see the Genus/species that are restricted. In this case, the only cichlids restricted in CA are 4 species within the genus Tilapia.
 
patricio;641001; said:
one of the employes at my lfs said he would order pirahnas for me if i wanted. there illeagle arnt they

Ps are illegal in CA. And, I'm sure that lfs is going to be pleased to hear you posted their illegal activity in a public forum.
 
So where do we find the Aquatic Invasive Species list?
 
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