Reticulata/Orbignyi = synonymous... No Big Orbignyi?

[Kevaldo]

i agree there miles, all the early info was that retic's are not so easy to keep but if you spend a bit more money you can get a much more pretty ray that is much more hardy.

 

[rayman]

Hi Miles,

in my opinion it is questionable whether the reticulatus Rosa said are synonymus to orbignyi are the same rays we have in the hobby as reticulatus (according to Aqualog).
Trygon reticulatus was described by Günther 1880 from Surinam. But our retics come from Colombia.

And orbignyi are ugly brown rays?
Wait until you see the pics from the Tocantins orbignyi and you will change your mind.
There is one pic in the symposium photo Thread.

 

[Kolossus]

MFK has thrived in part because of the ideologies and expertise of people like Miles and many others who have just spent a little time with a hobby that we all love (otherwise, we wouldn't be here). Unfortunately, not everyone is as appreciative as others. Quite frankly, there are several MFK members who are jerks...but that should not deter us from the exchange of information that has proven to be extremely helpful to those of us with a little less experience. I have learned quite a lot from individuals (like Miles) who take the time to think about things, do some research, and share that knowledge so that we may be either better informed, or gain a new/different perspective in an effort to expand our current knowledge base on a certain subject. Quite frankly, my next ray purchase was going to be a retic or an orb so I am grateful for this info. The world would not go around without some haters. You just gotta shake dem haters off!

Keep it up Miles!

 

[StripeGirl]

honestly i think the guy was just joking.what some people think is funny others might find offensive.its easier just to ignore the comments you do not like and to keep going on subject,as if the comment was never there,its easy:}

 

[StripeGirl]

and i thank you sharing so much good info.I have learned a bunch from you alone.

 

[Zoodiver]

Wait until you see the pics from the Tocantins orbignyi and you will change your mind.

I'll agree with this. There are already SIX known patterns to orbigs - and only6 one of them is how I knew them prior to that weekend. I think over all we have only scratched the surface in freshwater rays, and anyone working with them now is on the "cutting edge" so to speak. I mean sure people were keeping them back in the 70's.... but when it comes to carving out scientific fact - it's starting to take shape today.

Small side note, the aquarium only has pups of 'orbig' - they were captive bred at another facility. At one point we wondered if they were really 'orbig' after comparing info we could find on the species. But now after seeing so many color patterns, we figured based on every other noted feature they are. Might be a great chance to start using DNA sampling to ID possible unknowns once the time comes, especially if they come from proven captive breeders.

 

[Zoodiver]

I see someone was taking notes.

 

[StripeGirl]

and now others are taking notes:}

 

[Miles]

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[Tom]

Perhaps they are synonymous to each other.
Potamotrygon as a whole is a mystery. Until the research is funded and this whole "species" debate is settled maybe then can we put true identities on all the different rays. Perhaps it has to be done the other way around.

The idea of there being "sub species" over "species" makes more sense to me.
Individual "families" seem to make themselves apparent before anything.

Perhaps Reticulatus and Orbignyi would be placed in their own "family".
For example some would agree that Flowers and Tigers would have their own "branch"
as well.

I have too many thoughts in my head to type them all out at once, so I hope I came across clearly with what I was trying to say.