Rhom needs freedom

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Pole said:
Seriously what is it with you and rhoms? Did they attack you when you were a kid or something? If rhoms wanted to in a school they wouldn't kill the rest! Pease stop making these kind of against rhom threads, you' re annoying everyone in the piranha sub forum. This could actually count as a troll post, so seriously stop it.
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rhoms can live like shoals if have enough space. \
 
koltsix said:
You're attributing human emotional needs to a fish that may(almost assuredly) not have them. I was going to go on a rant about psychology and it's application and how while I believe it's a valid field I believe it's a currently imperfect one based more on hypothesis rather than fact, but I'll digress for the sake of staying more on point. Some fish whether it's because of emotional development or a basic survival instinct do need others of their kind and that need/want can be present in captive individuals even if it's no longer necessary for their survival. With that said the lacking of companionship can be a source of stress in such individuals. While there are other fish that feel no need for companionship because it's not necessary for their survival except in their need/instinct for procreation. Such individuals probably only feel that need/want when certain stimuli trigger it and as such it can be easily avoided by not introducing said stimuli(ie:a mate or rival).

With that said Rhom's as far as I have heard in nature are solitary individuals only coming together for mating. As such it's doubtful they would feel differently in captivity. So your hardly stressing or making a Rhom feel lonely by putting him in a tank by himself as that's a natural state for him. Unless your keeping in his eyesight a potential rival or mate and not allowing him access to do what comes naturally. Otherwise by keeping him your making him what you would call "happy", which again we're not even sure a fish can feel what we consider an emotion as complex as being "happy". Still for the sake of argument we'll assume what you hypothesize(which is that fish feel complex emotions like people do) is true. He is no longer threatened by predators, his meals are regular and he is stimulated mentally if he's in a high traffic area the same as he would be in nature by other passing fish. Remember Rhoms don't know we're not fish it's beyond them they merely see us as a part of their environment either fitting in as threat, prey, rival or just fish he has no interest at all in. So in my opinion he is stimulated just as he would be in nature. There's more to keeping a Rhom but I think you get what I'm saying.

Now if anything keeping Red's in a tank is wrong as most don't truly have the tanks to properly house them based on your hypothesis of fish not being happy due to compainionship. In nature they form larger schools than most can maintain in home aquaria. The need for the schools in nature is so ingrained into them that being in captivity in a small school has to be extremely stressful and probably accounts for the observed skittishness in Reds. A large school brings security on so many levels and is part of the Reds survival instinct an instinct that most can't accommodate. They need large to schools for security from predators, to find food and to disperse aggression and don't realize they're in an aquarium and that such needs are no longer necessary. So unless your one of the few who has the room to house 20 or more Reds your probably stressing them(making them sad) more then you are stressing any Rhom you keep. Since a single Rhom is a natural state for the Rhom to be in while Reds are used to a much larger school your only stressing the Reds by not providing them what naturally makes them feel comfortable or secure.


By the way I'm not against keeping either kind of Piranha, merely using your hypothesis(that if where true/which I don't believe it is) to come to a more logical hypothesized conclusion.
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Good read koltsix


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rain it is so nice to have a real biologist on the forums these days. Thank you for you contributions.
 
rain21 said:
rhoms are not only coming together just to for mating.
in nature, they have small shoals.
I've seen it several times.
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in the wild, arowanas can jump for food all they want without hitting a canopy head first, or ending up on the floor.
 
rain21 said:
rhoms are not only coming together just to for mating.
in nature, they have small shoals.
I've seen it several times.
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I'm calling you on that one.

First off no. Second off no.
Do you own a rhom?

Do you know why all Rhoms in the hobby are wild caught. Because we have been unsuccessful in breeding them in an aquarium. It has been done 2 times ever! And it was still un-successful. It does not matter how large of tank you have they will kill each other at some point.

Don't be dumb your just trying to get people to argue, and comment on your thread.


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Pole said:
in the wild, arowanas can jump for food all they want without hitting a canopy head first, or ending up on the floor.
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I'm not talking about the jumping **** :P :D
I tell, animals must not be imprisoned, especially alone.
keeping a wild born fish alone in a glass tank sounds not good to me.
 
lando said:
I'm calling you on that one.

First off no. Second off no.
Do you own a rhom?

Do you know why all Rhoms in the hobby are wild caught. Because we have been unsuccessful in breeding them in an aquarium. It has been done 2 times ever! And it was still un-successful. It does not matter how large of tank you have they will kill each other at some point.

Don't be dumb your just trying to get people to argue, and comment on your thread.


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so why did you comment here ?
you are not welcome to my threads bloke.....
I never asked anyone to comment on my threads, what we are doing here is discussing, and I believe forums are for that purpose.
 
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