Thanks again guys. Also just wanted to throw in a slight conversation starter here regarding tank size to growth. Not that I'm a fan of JDM style keeping but I kept this NTT the entirety I've owned him in a 75 gallon with 6 earth eaters 2 severums and random plecs. Not exactly the most spacious environment (I knew he wouldn't last in the 240 that had all the bruisers so he had to go in this one) and I still got him to a pretty large size. Which leads me more to believe tank size isn't as major a factor as water quality and feeding (datnoid wise, don't try this with an arowana or RTC lol). I'm not saying cram a dat in a 10-20gallon long but with just the bare minimum of space (I think 4 feet should be the bare bare bare bottom minimum for a fish that can get to 14") and with excellent conditions, even in an overstocked tank, cranking out a monster should be very possible.