Rocio Octofasciata, Rocio Ocotal, And Rocio Gemmata

[spike38]

i have a male Rocio Ocotal and a female Rocio Gemmata that paired but after the first batch got eaten they have been separated due to aggression. i might leave em after seeing this.

Where did you get them? And instead of keeping them separated, You can.... Send them to me.

Couldn't agree more, Duane - one person's different varients are another's different species

What is a different varient is even a really difficult question to answer! (But I'd suggest that different trade names doesn't equal different varients)

Matt

I also agree, Jack Dempsey is one of the oldest cichlids varieties, So it would stand to reason, That if certain groups get isolated.
They would tend to develop slightly different attributes. But slight differences don't justify a new species.

Couldn't agree more about trade names.
I do appreciate when locations are added, but only if they are legitimate.
I find calling carpintus a Texan is a bit odd, because they are not endemic to Texas at all.
Cyanoguttatum is a different story.
Tacking on some cutesy monicker like "Mexican princess" or "species purple", also tends to make me a bit suspicious.
BTW, You going to Indy Matt?

And it's the locations, That bring out the different attributes in the wild.

WOW they look awesome. Like the Blue Acara of Jacks

Glad you are enjoying the thread.

Spike

 

[doomiedee]

Where did you get those....and how do you know?

Matt

I bought the female in a petland in ny and the male I got from a locale petco. Im just judging from the pics he posted . Mine look lije the ones in the pics.

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[dogofwar]

Uh, then they're not Rocio ocotal or Rocio gemmata...

Matt

I bought the female in a petland in ny and the male I got from a locale petco. Im just judging from the pics he posted . Mine look lije the ones in the pics.

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[doomiedee]

Where did you get them? And instead of keeping them separated, You can.... Send them to me.

I got the female in a bronx petland and got the male in a petco near me. I might not keep em separated depending on how the female healed up her fins are pretty beat up.



Spike

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[doomiedee]

Uh, then they're not Rocio ocotal or Rocio gemmata...

Matt

Then what are they then

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[spike38]

Then what are they then

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Color morphs. The colors are in there genes.
Just some colors are not that dominate in nature.
For the most part, Your basic JD has the most versatile
color combination. But in some isolated locations,
Lets say a white sandy bottom. The red on the belly
may have evolved as more suited.

Coming from Petco, Or Petland, I would tend to believe.
That they were common Jack Dempsey's. It doesn't
mean they are not one of the others, But really!
Does it matter. All that matters is, Do you like them?

Also, If your male is that red, And your needing to separate him.
We could take care of him in South Georgia for you.

Spike

 

[doomiedee]

Color morphs. The colors are in there genes.
Just some colors are not that dominate in nature.
For the most part, Your basic JD has the most versatile
color combination. But in some isolated locations,
Lets say a white sandy bottom. The red on the belly
may have evolved as more suited.

Coming from Petco, Or Petland, I would tend to believe.
That they were common Jack Dempsey's. It doesn't
mean they are not one of the others, But really!
Does it matter. All that matters is, Do you like them?

Also, If your male is that red, And your needing to separate him.
We could take care of him in South Georgia for you.

Spike

ok make sense. i think it might depend on diet too. i feed mine alot of blood worms as of late cause thats all he eats and it been making the red show more. i love my jds and im going to keep them im planning on biulding a 254 gallon indoor pond to give then room. and ill keep a empty tank for fry.

 

[spike38]

I'd like to build a monster tank as well, but I need a bigger house first.

Spike

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[Theos.dad]

Bring up an old thread again. I think some of the newer folks like myself might like this one. I wasnt even aware there were more fish in the rocio family. I believe these three are all the same species with different catch locations. I think if this thread was made today the majority would probably agree.
As did some in this thread originally.

Also for the ones that didn't realize there are 4 species of this fish. Check out the rocio spinosissima. It's the only when that carries the name rocio that is without a doubt a different species of fish. A very cool looking one at that

 

[Toiletcar]

Bring up an old thread again. I think some of the newer folks like myself might like this one. I wasnt even aware there were more fish in the rocio family. I believe these three are all the same species with different catch locations. I think if this thread was made today the majority would probably agree.
As did some in this thread originally.

Also for the ones that didn't realize there are 4 species of this fish. Check out the rocio spinosissima. It's the only when that carries the name rocio that is without a doubt a different species of fish. A very cool looking one at that

I believe you are correct. There are only 2 rocio species now. Spinosissima was archocentrus moved to rocio. The CA classification changes w/ the wind lol.