RTC

[josh11]

Sorry if it pisses you off when your told not keeping your fish properly but don't shoot the messenger as keeping a TSN and a RTC below 25c isn't keeping them properly. They are tropical fish they need heated water ...bass or no bass....

so if i were to show you perfect specimans you would say they arent taken care of properly?
ok lets put all aside. i get what you are saying. but my arguement is that it may not be the spe3cific temp they live in nature but since they are living in cooler water and doing just fine,,,whos to say that it isnt proper?

 

[taksan]

Well it isn't proper we don't really have to canvass opinions its just a fact ... its obvious that something as simple as temp range which can be easily modified is well within a Aquarist's means of control and that fish should be kept in their natural temperature range. If you want to keep your fish cooler and they aren't dying thats one thing but it isn't the correct temperature and the fish would be better off in warmer water. I believe that if we are to keep fish for our own amusement at all we owe it to them to keep them the absolute best way we can. To me its black and white ...no comprimises , no excuses do the absolute best for your fish you possibly can. Having non compatible species in a tank together is against that philosophy. I know it ...and you know it too. The good news for you is it shows that you definitely need another tank which must be a good thing as I have to make up phony excuses when my tanks breed.

 

[josh11]

you say there is no black or white but i say there is. im proving it in having fish survive and live fine at a cooler temp. what species do i have that are not compatible?
here's the current list
tiger shovelnose
rtc
largemouth bass
marble goby
one reg pleco
2 x marble sailfin pleco
yes i would love to have another tank. or even just one bigger one but i can not afford that at the moment

 

[tokyogasmask]

you say there is no black or white but i say there is. im proving it in having fish survive and live fine at a cooler temp. what species do i have that are not compatible?
here's the current list
tiger shovelnose
rtc
largemouth bass
marble goby
one reg pleco
2 x marble sailfin pleco
yes i would love to have another tank. or even just one bigger one but i can not afford that at the moment

Crap argument.
If you know you can't afford a bigger tank, don't get fish that need MASSIVE homes!

And I have to say keeping your fish in the wrong temperature is not responsible fish keeping.
In your own words, becouse of the lowered temps, they don't have their normal appetite, and are not growing at the rate they should.
This is wrong. Not the way to keep fish IMO.

 

[pharmaecopia]

So because 1 fish prefers cooler water, a fish that most likely you are keeping illegally, you are choosing to keep all your other fish improperly. Ontario has laws against keeping native fish.

To the OP, I see no problem with using the waterfall to for biological filtration. IMO it should be in addition to some fairly heavy duty mechanical filtration.

 

[FLESHY]

I'll pick #2 .....

Please describe exactly your concerns about my setup. I will address these publicly.

the cats will take shrimp no problem...with the size of pond you're talking about and filtration you will have no problem at all. you'll probably become quite attached to red tails. since ive been keeping them (plural because they obv get a big big for my 150 so i DO find ppl with suitable bigger enclosures) i usually come accross another small one and they hold that type of place in your heart you see one and go...ok i'll grow out another haha

We will see. Filtration is getting upgraded, and that is a for sure thing. I hope that this enclosure will be large enough, I wont take a fish unless I think we can do a great job with them. Im here to learn what that means when it comes to RTC, thanks for the help so far.

I've noticed throwing up only if they have been severly overfeed, or you have
moved/handled shortly after feeding, the waterfall idea is something i've never
considered, i really like the idea, I really like sliced tilapia i do know they really
like crab meat and squid as treats, but both of these can really dirty your water,
with a pond of that size you can offer this guy a very good home, better then most.
i would start with only hand feeding and get it used to people at an early stage, spooking one at a very large size can be devastating, I have noticed with mine
when i do turn on the lights he goes ape-**** and smashed around all over the place,
they do spook easily

Luckily, the lights sort of come on in banks in the "Vivarium" (where the pond is located)...so hopefully that will be a non-issue.

I personally feed all the animals in the lab, so he will get the attention and personal feeding that will make him accustomed to people.

a largemouth and RTC is a cool combo if i might add,
Also do you plan on only keep this catfish alone?
What size do you think you will start out with?

He will start out in a 270 or so custom made tank. When he gets to the point where he cannot easily turn around, he will be moved into the pond. He will most likely be housed singly.

Guys, lets try and stay on topic...keep bringing in the info. I would love to see the filtration you guys are running on your tanks, especially adult specimens.

Although I generally agree that keeping the RTC at a lower temp is probably not as good as a tropical temp, it shouldnt cause any problems. Think about an RTC during the rainy season, h2o temps would drop way below room temp. The fish sounds to be healthy, although I would agree, the closer we can match exact needs of fish the better.

 

[josh11]

So because 1 fish prefers cooler water, a fish that most likely you are keeping illegally, you are choosing to keep all your other fish improperly. Ontario has laws against keeping native fish.

To the OP, I see no problem with using the waterfall to for biological filtration. IMO it should be in addition to some fairly heavy duty mechanical filtration.

there is no law against keeping this native fish (largemouth)...the only law that needs to be followed is if i want to keep fish, this largemouth counts against my limit. i was told this from a game warden annd a police officer.
i dont keep my fish i catch anyway so nothing to worry about

 

[taksan]

Please describe exactly your concerns about my setup. I will address these publicly.

Filtration is my main concern .... a waterfall with no media.

Filtration is getting upgraded,

To what? I have almost exactly the same sized RTC setup and have nearly 500 liters of biomedia plus a large foam fractionater. I still have to do 50% WC's weekly. Thats changing out nearly 2500 gal at a time.

I hope that this enclosure will be large enough,

If its 15' x 15' x 4' high its almost perfect size.

I wont take a fish unless I think we can do a great job with them.

You have to think long long long term. I had one RTC for 27 years. Are you going to be there for 20 + years ????

 

[armyguy24523]

well what i would do is write mqktandy he really knows his stuff and he is VERY encouraging. he actually has a post on his new build, i think its 1500 gallons, if you go to the pond section in the forums and go to indoor ponds you should find some helpful info. hope this helps. and i look forward to when you get this guy and see some pictures of this guy.

 

[FLESHY]

Im Green.

Filtration is my main concern .... a waterfall with no media.

I didnt say that there wasnt any media...I just said that a waterfall will be a great bio filter. I know that there is exsisting filtration, and it has to be big enough to pump the waterfall, so we are moving some h2o. All that remains is to add a large (100g maybe?) settling tank, and throw some media/mechanical/chemical filtration.

To what? I have almost exactly the same sized RTC setup and have nearly 500 liters of biomedia plus a large foam fractionater. I still have to do 50% WC's weekly. Thats changing out nearly 2500 gal at a time.

To whatever is necessary. I am not a guy to wuss on filtration, and as mentioned before...I built a filtration system earlier this year that in itself holds over 150g of water. H20 is free for us...and this tank will most likely be fitted with a constant drip setup...it will also be giving large weekly h2o changes. Water is free, and so is volunteers time.

If its 15' x 15' x 4' high its almost perfect size.

Thanks, lets hope we get permission to use it, otherwise this project will not go forward.

You have to think long long long term. I had one RTC for 27 years. Are you going to be there for 20 + years ????

This isnt a fish for me, its a fish for a publicly displayed vivarium. So yes, someone will be there after 20+ years.

well what i would do is write mqktandy he really knows his stuff and he is VERY encouraging. he actually has a post on his new build, i think its 1500 gallons, if you go to the pond section in the forums and go to indoor ponds you should find some helpful info. hope this helps. and i look forward to when you get this guy and see some pictures of this guy.

Thanks, I will consider doing this (I will do it when I am done posting for the day today.).

I have looked over some of the pond stuff, but I will go back to poke through and see what I can find on RTC information.

Another question of mine is this, will a RTCxTSN combo grow slower/to a smaller size? If so that fish might be more appropriate.

Thanks again, Forrest