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jbnebres;2851836; said:
What is the harm of bringing over farm bred aros from Asia for the intention of creating a market over here in the West..... please answer.

If by chance, there are people over here with the resources and knowledge to raise arowanas, it would decrease the illegal/black market importation of these prized fish to begin with. Not only would the US be free from regulating a black market, the sale of the fish in the US would help relieve and eventually cease the need for cross continental importation. That way it would also ease the demand of arowanas being bred in Asia. Rather than have Canada import from only Asia, Canadians may possibly turn to their neighbor below.***

 Meaning it would be a lot easier for those Asian arowana farms to help reintroduce and repopulate the native species. Heck, if the West counterpart were any successful, I'm sure it would be in their interest and responsibility to help.

***Of course, the rarity and social value of these fish would certainly decrease with the growth of arowana populations elsewhere- and with that said, I can see this being an issue with some existing arowana farms [not from people who can readily obtain them, and actually do keep them- that would kind of hypocritical- don't you think?], but I'm betting those farms will always have a heads up on the trade, skill, and quality of stock. And if an outside source within the US lacks the much needed experience in breeding arowanas, it will take longer just to become a stable and lucrative dealer. So I'm sure any cites approved farm will probably have to go through a long and rigorous quality assessment.

But sadly there are folks out there, who- rather than help and try to share the interest and preservation of the asian arowana- they perpetuate the ideology that the act of having arowanas in the US is crime.
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i think asian arowana farmers will not tell how to breed asian arowanas, even those private individual who are able to breed asian arowanas. its like that you would give your secret formula to someone you did not know. breeding them is not easy as you see asian arowana farmers breed and harvest their fish. if it is easy then me, and other asian arowana hobbyists and many of us would be breeding them.
 
Awesome aro bro!

There always has to be a lot cop around... Who cares where he is. The title of the thread it RTG, NOT my RTG! Sheesh!
 
pressure_cooker;2852009; said:
i think asian arowana farmers will not tell how to breed asian arowanas, even those private individual who are able to breed asian arowanas. its like that you would give your secret formula to someone you did not know. breeding them is not easy as you see asian arowana farmers breed and harvest their fish. if it is easy then me, and other asian arowana hobbyists and many of us would be breeding them.
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That's not even the argument here.
We are talking about taking farm bred Asian aros to the US to promote arowana keeping/education and possibly help in preserving the existing pop.

if a successful asian arowana farm were to start elsewhere, it would need an existing market, and demographic- N. America has this.

It seems that through your reasoning, you would rather have the farmer keep his secrets, than to promote a healthy fish industry- with an aim to preserve the species. I'm betting that there farmers who would gladly help educate others in rearing of the species- rather than be simply be negative about it.

And no one has said it was ever easy to breed arowanas. I'm not referring to the run of the mill asian arowana hobbyist, i'm referencing knowledgeable breeders who have, a. the money, b. the resources/location, c. demand/existing consumers and d. expertise in breeding/keeping. Anything less than that, and the operation would be a joke.

You have yet to share your reasons on why they should illegal.
 
jbnebres;2852057; said:
That's not even the argument here.
We are talking about taking farm bred Asian aros to the US to promote arowana keeping/education and possibly help in preserving the existing pop.

if a successful asian arowana farm were to start elsewhere, it would need an existing market, and demographic- N. America has this.

It seems that through your reasoning, you would rather have the farmer keep his secrets, than to promote a healthy fish industry- with an aim to preserve the species.

And no one has said it was ever easy to breed arowanas. I'm not referring to the run of the mill asian arowana hobbyist, i'm referencing knowledgeable breeders who have, a. the money, b. the resources/location, c. demand/consumers and d. expertise in breeding. Anything less than that, and the operation would be a joke.

you have yet to share your reasons on why they should illegal.
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alright so how can U.S. preserve the asian arowanas? there is market in the U.S. but are there enough supply for your country? let me tell you this there are more asian people outside the U.S. so the current market of Asian Arowanas are the Asian countries, so here is a scenario imagine that Asia suddenly increased their demand for the asian arowanas then U.S. decided to lift the ban for the asian arowana. asian arowanas farmers would have their pocket full because their stock was sold out, then some people would fish some asian arowanas out in the wild and they would them in a much more cheaper value. dont say that captive bred are much more pretty that a wild one, because they look the same and think about a real pahang gold a true wild blue base crossback these are the crossbacks that have been sought after by many asian arowana collectors.
 
pressure_cooker;2852101; said:
alright so how can U.S. preserve the asian arowanas? there is market in the U.S. but are there enough supply for your country? let me tell you this there are more asian people outside the U.S. so the current market of Asian Arowanas are the Asian countries, so here is a scenario imagine that Asia suddenly increased their demand for the asian arowanas then U.S. decided to lift the ban for the asian arowana. asian arowanas farmers would have their pocket full because their stock was sold out, then some people would fish some asian arowanas out in the wild and they would them in a much more cheaper value. dont say that captive bred are much more pretty that a wild one, because they look the same and think about a real pahang gold a true wild blue base crossback these are the crossbacks that have been sought after by many asian arowana collectors.
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Have you not been reading?
We are not talking about an immediate turn around and bringing in all of the existing Asian farm stock to the US. We are talking about a safe way of starting a market in the West, with a controlled amount to import as breeders.

This would have to span over 5+ years to simply get the operation going. This scenario will NOT force farmers to start collecting from the wild. It will ease the demand of illegal trade and unnecessary importing from continent to continent. It will also promote the fishkeeping of farm raised-specifically for the fish hobby industry- and stifle collecting from the wild.

Many, if not all, of the aros in the trade are beautiful, and have been intricately line-bred in farms- this will have to be the only choice for consumers. Any wild specimens imported would result in a true crime against nature- this we agree on.

Those looking to illegally get wild arowanas, knowing their state in the wild, are simply being selfish.

There are definite differences between wild and farm bred, but since the damn species are becoming extinct, I, like other responsible fishkeepers, should be okay, and will have to comply to only farm bred.
 
jbnebres;2852225; said:
Have you not been reading?
We are not talking about an immediate turn around and bringing in all of the existing Asian farm stock to the US. We are talking about a safe way of starting a market in the West, with a controlled amount to import as breeders.

This would have to span over 5+ years to simply get the operation going. This scenario will NOT force farmers to start collecting from the wild. It will ease the demand of illegal trade and unnecessary importing from continent to continent. It will also promote the fishkeeping of farm raised-specifically for the fish hobby industry- and stifle collecting from the wild.

Many, if not all, of the aros in the trade are beautiful, and have been intricately line-bred in farms- this will have to be the only choice for consumers. Any wild specimens imported would result in a true crime against nature- this we agree on.

Those looking to illegally get wild arowanas, knowing their state in the wild, are simply being selfish.

There are definite differences between wild and farm bred, but since the damn species are becoming extinct, I, like other responsible fishkeepers, should be okay, and will have to comply to only farm bred.
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I totally agree with everything you're saying, BUT, whose going to pay? Who will pay for all the aros? Who will pay for the facilities? Who will pay for the food for aros to eat? Who will pay for the electricity to run everything? Who will pay workers to work? I dont think Obama has a couple million in spare change to lend out right now.
 
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