rtm mated with gold mota... is that a hybrid?

[darth pike]

As stated, yes technically it would be a hybrid. Varients appear due to mutations in the wild, not crossing with other species or races. Usually the differant races are located in differant areas with no connecting waterways.

Our hobby doesn't always use hybrid correctly though, and tend to leave out the same species/differant races. At least new world cichlid keepers. Many westie keepers have kept the differant races seperate for years now.

*proud irish-mexican-cherokee hybrid*

 

[Vicious_Fish]

As stated, yes technically it would be a hybrid. Varients appear due to mutations in the wild, not crossing with other species or races. Usually the differant races are located in differant areas with no connecting waterways.

Our hobby doesn't always use hybrid correctly though, and tend to leave out the same species/differant races. At least new world cichlid keepers. Many westie keepers have kept the differant races seperate for years now.

*proud irish-mexican-cherokee hybrid*

Interesting. But are the two color morphs subspecies or are they just P. motaguense? I would think a mix between two subspecies would be an intergrade.

But who knows, I'm use to reptile genetics and not fish.

 

[Sarah88]

yeah from my bio background at least i would say its not a hybrid especially if these are only color variants and not subspecies, hybridization is when you take two different SPECIES and mix them, so if they are the same species its not hybridization but isnt something that would naturally happen in the wild due to location differences which is why some people would be against it but if theyr still same species and their rivers were to flow together again somehow then they would interbreed again so i dont see the problem with it, hopefully there colors are codominant and you get some nice fry with both colors mixed together, that would look AWESOME

End Note: horse x donkey= mule (hybrid); chihuahua x great dane (HILARIOUS if it would actually work, but NOT hybrid)

 

[Jason_S]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hybrid





the offspring of two animals or plants of different breeds, varieties, species, or genera, esp. as produced through human manipulation for specific genetic characteristics.

bred from two distinct races, breeds, varieties, species, or genera.

I agree.... Man I thought I was bad about hybridization. Im not going to think that its a bad thing to mix 1 wild variant with another. I mean how do you think such variants evolved in the first place....

I know how regional variants and even different species evolved over time. I never said that crossing the gold mota to a rtm was wrong, bad or anything like that. I was simply answering the OP's question as to whether or not it would be a hybrid. And according to the definition of a hybrid, yes crossing the 2 would create hybrid offspring.

yeah from my bio background at least i would say its not a hybrid especially if these are only color variants and not subspecies, hybridization is when you take two different SPECIES and mix them, so if they are the same species its not hybridization but isnt something that would naturally happen in the wild due to location differences which is why some people would be against it but if theyr still same species and their rivers were to flow together again somehow then they would interbreed again so i dont see the problem with it, hopefully there colors are codominant and you get some nice fry with both colors mixed together, that would look AWESOME

End Note: horse x donkey= mule (hybrid); chihuahua x great dane (HILARIOUS if it would actually work, but NOT hybrid)

Hope you wouldn't bet money on that. lol Like Darth Pike said, the term 'hybrid' is misused a LOT in the hobby. I didn't realize this until reading the thread about crossing a barred midas with a colored midas. After reading that thread I looked up the actual definition of a hybrid to find out for sure because it had previously been my understanding that crossing different strains of the same species was not hybridization. I now know differently.

 

[uncwnells]

So a White person x Black person = a Hybrid?

I wouldn't think this would be classified as a hybrid if both parents are the same species.

My sentiments exactly, hybrid no, swirl baby yes.

 

[ewok]

lol
so many opinions here... i'm personally inclined to think they are color variants of the same fish... which should be not be a hybrid.

i'm not gonna try this anytime soon... i'm just curious because ruck fules has a super nice male gold mota i wanna get my hands on... lol

 

[Sarah88]

Hope you wouldn't bet money on that. lol Like Darth Pike said, the term 'hybrid' is misused a LOT in the hobby. I didn't realize this until reading the thread about crossing a barred midas with a colored midas. After reading that thread I looked up the actual definition of a hybrid to find out for sure because it had previously been my understanding that crossing different strains of the same species was not hybridization. I now know differently.

[/QUOTE]

well i actually have no experience with this term in the hobby as i have never bred fish, but just from what i know from my bio teachers and have spent hours studying this topic for tests, if using your definition then people of mixed races and ALL dogs (as crossbreeding is how all breeds have come about) would be hybrids and i know if i would have put that they were hybrids on one of my tests i would have gotten a big ZERO, so i mean i guess that definition COULD be true but goes against everything iv been taught is all im saying IMO

 

[Jason_S]

well i actually have no experience with this term in the hobby as i have never bred fish, but just from what i know from my bio teachers and have spent hours studying this topic for tests, if using your definition then people of mixed races and ALL dogs (as crossbreeding is how all breeds have come about) would be hybrids and i know if i would have put that they were hybrids on one of my tests i would have gotten a big ZERO, so i mean i guess that definition COULD be true but goes against everything iv been taught is all im saying IMO

it's not MY definition...I didn't write it

 

[darth pike]

My college biology teacher could tell I was a hybrid.

Though I think I tripped him up by pointing out the celts are of eurasian descent instead of caucasian ... so I might not be considered one.

 

[Modest_Man]

There is a big distinction between regional variant and a color morph which I think is getting confused here.

Regional variants can have very distinctive genetic differences on many different loci, resulting in vastly different phenotypes (physical and behavioral).

A color morph is a single mutation (in most cases) that changes the color of the fish.

Regional variants would be the "red tiger" strain bred with the gold strain.

Color morph would be a barred midas from Lake Nicaragua bred with a colored midas from Lake Nicaragua.

Totally different.

Humans at one point or another in history have had regional variants. But most anyone these days are essentially identical due to the genetic melding that's gone on with the increased access to different areas, a lot like what's happening to a lot of our aquarium strains of fish.