Save the Fry?

[Ruck Fules]

well, if they are both Bifasciatus it isnt a hybrid so it really doesnt matter, it is no different then crossing an Electric Blue Dempsey to a normal Dempsey or a Pink con to a black con am i wrong?

Some purists would not agree to your statement. I see where you're coming and this is actually the reason why I created this thread.

I would save them might look cool i don't think its a big deal there is some problem with the hole hybrid thing in Vieja/paratheraps but there the same species just different varients i don't see much of a problem i would buy one or two to see what they turn out like

They Both look great by the way this is the main reason why i would wan't one

Thanks, I wish I ahve a better camere because my pics don't do them justice.

 

[pdbrady]

I agree with Gage. It's not a hybrid, just mixed color variants as are the ones he listed. People mix the others all day, why should this one be any different? The only difference is bifas aren't as mainstream as cons, jd, etc.

 

[Ruck Fules]

So far we only have one member (dirtyblacksocks) that basically said no to this based on his statement to not sell. I would love to hear from the other side.

 

[darth pike]

It is a hybrid. Dictionary deffination of one at least, though not used often enough in the hobby. Crossing differant races of the same species does qualify as a hybrid. From free dictionary.com:

1. Genetics The offspring of genetically dissimilar parents or stock, especially the offspring produced by breeding plants or animals of different varieties, species, or races.

So I vote no.

 

[greenterra]

Mixed strains?Yes but I don't see it as a hybrid. Aquamojos Jag Jumbo is a prime example in my eyes.Jumbos father was a regular morph managuense...his mother was gold.A mix of strains that made an exceptional managuense. I bet there is not a member here that viewed him as a hybrid and rightly so IMO. I see no difference here with your Bifas.

 

[greenterra]

It is a hybrid. Dictionary deffination of one at least, though not used often enough in the hobby. Crossing differant races of the same species does qualify as a hybrid. From free dictionary.com:

1. Genetics The offspring of genetically dissimilar parents or stock, especially the offspring produced by breeding plants or animals of different varieties, species, or races.

So I vote no.

mmmmm.....I don't agree with this meaning to an extent.That would mean we as a human population are full of hybrids.Plenty of humans have dissimilar parents from different races. We are all Homo sapiens are we not?

 

[Modest_Man]

But the gold mangs were a human made product...this is two different naturally occurring strains (or so I assume, no idea what a "pink" bifa is).

I'd say use them for feeders or let them get eaten in the community...I personally wouldn't try to raise and sell them.

It's the same as crossing a motaguensis with a "red tiger" mota or a H. carpintis with a H. carpintis "Escondido".

They're the same species (depending on what we define specie as) but different regional variants.

 

[badisbadis101]

I would guess that 90% of the common fish in our hobby today are a mix of different variants, simply because people had no clue if the parent where the same variants and they really didnt care either. If someone bred 2 neons from 2 different rivers and sold them, would people care? AS long as you do not try to pass them as pure of one variant, and just sell them as bifas, i do not think it matters

 

[greenterra]

But the gold mangs were a human made product...this is two different naturally occurring strains (or so I assume, no idea what a "pink" bifa is).

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As far as I know Gold morph jags are naturally occuring so it is still the same to me.

A quote from Paul Loiselle explaing the morph:
Quote:
Golden individuals of P. managuense are very infrequently encountered in Lakes Managua and Nicaragua (Astorqui 1971). Their rarity may be due to the fact that contrary to the case in other naturally occurring oligomelanic Neotropical cichlid morphs, the fry of such P. managuense are golden at hatching, which puts them at a substantially greater risk of predation than their normally pigmented counterparts. Oligomelanism in P. managuense is determined by a single gene that behaves as a Mendelian recessive. A complex of polygenic modifiers appears to control the extent of the residual color pattem (Loiselle, l973). First imported into the United States in 1964, P. managuense was the first Central American guapote bred in captivity. End Quote:

 

[ewok]

But the gold mangs were a human made product...this is two different naturally occurring strains (or so I assume, no idea what a "pink" bifa is).

I'd say use them for feeders or let them get eaten in the community...I personally wouldn't try to raise and sell them.

It's the same as crossing a motaguensis with a "red tiger" mota or a H. carpintis with a H. carpintis "Escondido".

They're the same species (depending on what we define specie as) but different regional variants.

gold mangs were just selectively bred for their color... it's like how pink convicts were created. at the end of the day, it's the same fish as a regular convict.
i don't see how a 'pink bifasciatum' is necessarily any different in that regard. if it does turn out that the pink bifasciatum is a different species, then that is an entirely different story. at this point in time there is not enough evidence to suggest that it would be the case. therefore, i say keep the fry, grow them out, sell them and advertise it as such. nothing wrong with that.



and remember to donate to the ewok fund.


the ewok fund is a fund created by ewok for ewok's fish. it would truly be a shame to let such fascinating critters such as super mota feed on anything less than beluga caviar, dovii fry and what not.

so please, do gani a favor and allow him to breed his fish, sell them and turn around and donate to the ewok fund