sealant question for DIY ply build

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I'm going to be building a couple plywood tanks and I'm really stumped on how to seal the tanks..

Iv'e been reading alot about epoxy? I'd like to have a couple of color choices, black, blue, and white atleast.

Could I get some info on what you guys have used to seal your tanks and where you got it??

Also did you seal the interior edges of the tank with silicone, and paint over the silicone?

Sorry for all the questions, but I could really use some specific info.
Thanks!
 
Welcome to MFK, the first thing you might want to do is go to the DI Tank Build sticky and start reading. There are several different builds there with different methods of sealing the tank. Read through those and find one that fits your needs. My build isn't on that thread but you can read about my 315 using the link at my signature. Good luck!
 
I have spent the evening reading through your entire build thread, Wow you have some great info on there. And all the test you did was awesome. Do you think you could explain again how you sealed the glass to the frame?? The liquid rubber sounds like a solid option. Your tank looks amazing by the way.

Has anyone used different sealants, or epoxys? Anymore info would be greatly appreciated!
 
I've been researching the same thing for a long time now and there was a build or two that used 3M 5200 "adhesive" silicone and it cured to the pond armor/zavlar. this would eliminate the need for epoxies and really make the viewing window installation easy IMO. I'll try to get some follow-up info from the guys who used this and see if the tanks are still holding well.

http://www.3m.com/Product/information/Marine-5200-Adhesive-Sealant.html
 
fishhooked;4870356; said:
I'm going to be building a couple plywood tanks and I'm really stumped on how to seal the tanks..

Iv'e been reading alot about epoxy? I'd like to have a couple of color choices, black, blue, and white atleast.

Could I get some info on what you guys have used to seal your tanks and where you got it??

Also did you seal the interior edges of the tank with silicone, and paint over the silicone?

Sorry for all the questions, but I could really use some specific info.
Thanks!

I have used epoxy paint, epoxy resin and polyester resin to seal plywood tanks.

The epoxy paint I just applied directly the plywood and did not use any additional fiberglass reinforcement. Same with epoxy resin but in some cases I did use additional fiberglass. It really depends on the size of the build, especially depth.

When I used polyester I pretty much always used it along with fiberglass reinforcement. There was a time we built a shallow brine shrimp tank where we only fiberglassed the corners and seams. The rest of the plywood was just coated directly with the resin - no fiberglass. But in that case it was a higher quality resin.

Anythingfish did the same thing with one of his monster builds but again used a pretty high quality polyester.

All in all I found the quickest and easiest to be the epoxy paints like Sweetwater. But in my opinion you need a respirator and a well ventilated area due to all of the solvents. And there are hazardous material charges if you don't live close enough to go pick it up.

In an enclosed area I liked the epoxy resins since they don't have the solvents. They are less paint like than Sweetwater but some of the products apply much easier than others. And no hazardous material charges.

Polyester is appealing because it is cheap but the fiberglass reinforcement adds cost and also means more resin is required. But if you want to build a thick layer of heavily reinforced fiberglass then polyester is hard to beat. But it is my least favorite way to seal a plywood tank. I just prefer working with epoxy over polyester.

BTW, epoxy resins can be tinted a lot of different colors. Same with polyester, I believe. And with polyester you can choose from almost any possible color for the gel coat.

Epoxy paints come in a lot of colors and can be tinted to some degree.

Do not apply sealer over silicone. If you want to paint over the caulking then you need to use a polyurethane based caulk and give it plenty of time to cure. There are other products you can paint over but I have not tried this. Muni sealed over an acrylic, paintable silicone with this project.
 
fishhooked;4871334; said:
I have spent the evening reading through your entire build thread, Wow you have some great info on there. And all the test you did was awesome. Do you think you could explain again how you sealed the glass to the frame?? The liquid rubber sounds like a solid option. Your tank looks amazing by the way.

Has anyone used different sealants, or epoxys? Anymore info would be greatly appreciated!

Sorry it took me so long to respond, I don't get here as often after they changed the DIY format. Anyway, the problem I ran into with LR (liquid rubber) and sealing the tank was that liquid rubber did not stick to glass or silicone. The needed to find a product that would stick to both silicone and liquid rubber and was waterproof. What I came up with was fiberglass resin. My viewing window sits in what is basically a large picture frame. Before I placed the glass into this frame a coated the inside of the frame with fiberglass resin. The resin was waterproof and gave me something to silicone the glass to. Anyway, while painting this resin into the frame I also applied the resin 2-3" into the inside of the tank onto the bare wood. After the glass was siliconed in place and the silicone was allowed time to dry, I painted the inside of the tank with LR right up to the bead of silicone that was sealing my glass. The resin acts are a bridge between the silicone and LR. I hope this makes sense. If it doesn't I will try and draw it up to clarify it better. And don't hesitate to send me a PM, I check those better.
 
Crispy;4872536; said:
I've been researching the same thing for a long time now and there was a build or two that used 3M 5200 "adhesive" silicone and it cured to the pond armor/zavlar. this would eliminate the need for epoxies and really make the viewing window installation easy IMO. I'll try to get some follow-up info from the guys who used this and see if the tanks are still holding well.

http://www.3m.com/Product/information/Marine-5200-Adhesive-Sealant.html

I have read about this 3M 5200 but never used it. It came along after my build. If it were me, I would buy a tube and do so testing before I tried it on a build. I got a ton of bad info while building my tank and it cost me a piece of glass. Besides, the testing is kind of fun.
 
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